**Please note: this transcript was automatically generated. We're working on going back over this to clear up misspellings as we have time ... but as we all know, there is precious little of that** Travis: Okay, so I don't know if you know this, but my oldest son is on Ticky Talks now. Other Chris: Yeah. Travis: And, uh, he's, uh, posting. Other Chris: Yeah. Travis: And he's got more followers and engagement than us, so. I'm jealous. Other Chris: That's pretty hilarious, honestly. Travis: It kind of is. Other Chris: I think it's just, like, way to go. Danielle: I mean, I'm sure that. Travis: Well, yeah. Other Chris: I mean, everyone who follows me on Twitter is a bot. I'm pretty sure. Travis: Yeah. Yeah. Or an AI chat. Other Chris: Yeah. All my bots are, uh, sexy, uh, ladies, though, apparently. Travis: Yeah. Other Chris: So, you know. Chris: Oh, yeah, I know those. Travis: Yeah. Other Chris: Like, gives you a good feeling inside, like. Chris: Right. Travis: Yes. Other Chris: Yeah. Travis: Hello and welcome back to rtfb. This is Travis and today, Chris. Other Chris, Danielle and I are talking about the movie version of the Postman, starring and directed by my friend and yours, Kevin Costner. At the time of this recording, the movie doesn't seem to be available to stream for free anywhere in the States, at least. But you can rent it from the usual places. Or take this as your sign to pop into your local library and see if you can borrow it from them for $0, which is a fine price to pay for this thing. And if you're headed out anyway and you're in the Dallas area, you could also check out this week's bookstore buddy, Interrobang Books down on Lovers Lane. This is another bookstore who we've partnered with to do a book giveaway before, and they do a lot of cool events with authors. And the keen eye observer might note that they're also the backdrop for our current banner image on our webpage. It's a great place to pop in if you're taking a flight in or out of Love field and forgot to pack a book. Or just because they're great. We love them. By the way, an anterobang, in case you didn't know, is a special punctuation mark that combines an exclamation point and a question mark and indicates, like, an extremely surprised reaction to something, eg, a talking cat or. Are you out of your mind? Like that? So you need to buy a camera. You need, like, editing software Okay, now that we learned a couple of things, let's get back to my conversation with everyone already in progress five or ten years ago. Chris: Yeah. Travis: To make a bunch of random videos. Other Chris: So you need to, like, buy a camera. Travis: He's got it. Other Chris: Editing software. You need, like. Travis: Yeah. Other Chris: Oh, man. Chris: Yeah. Travis: If you can get access to a cute girl, too, like, that'll help a lot. Other Chris: That would help. Yeah. Travis: Yeah, yeah. Danielle: He's not interested in that. Other Chris: She doesn't. She doesn't even need to be in the videos all the time. She can just show up like every once in a while. Travis: Yeah. Have someone you can cut to to be like, oh yeah, I've got the crop top T shirt on. Oh. Mhm. Other Chris: Yeah. It also, it also helps if, uh, she occasionally shows up and just has like a wickedly different opinion or doesn' Give a shit about anything you're doing. Chris: Yeah. Other Chris: You know. Travis: Mhm. Chris: Who do we know? Other Chris: Like, uh, if she can, if she can be like hypercritical of like, you know, all of the content you're creating. Like, like this is bullshit and I don't want to be a part of it. Danielle: Yeah. Chris: Keeps you grounded. Other Chris: I feel like that contributes a special flavor to it too. Travis: Wait a minute. Danielle: I'm super bored by this. Other Chris: If, if, if she can show up and just roll her eyes for an. Danielle: Hour, uh, that would be uncool though. I'm the mother. He's gonna have to find a girl. Other Chris: That'S like me to do it. Chris: That's true. Travis: I don't know if Chris was still talking about Levi, just content talking about me. Chris: Uh, um. Danielle: I know me when I hear me. Other Chris: Yeah. It works though. It works. Travis: Totally does. Look, there's. Other Chris: It adds interest. Travis: Hey, Dan. Hey, Danielle. Danielle: Yeah. Yes. Travis: Oh my God. I had to go back and figure out what the question is this season. Danielle: Oh, you're always asking me questions. Travis: I know. I gotta know your opinion about stuff. Other Chris: No, man, I don't remember what the question was either. Chris: Yeah, it was a while ago. Travis: Yeah. So. Danielle: Yeah. Travis: It's the apocalypse, right? Apparently everything's destroyed. Danielle: Yep. Travis: What one government function do you restart? Danielle: What one government function do I restart? None of them. They're all just the worst. Travis: But which one do you actually think you need? Like the, the water company, the electricity company? Like. Danielle: Oh, those are. I do, I do like electricity and I do like running water. Travis: Mhm. Danielle: Indoor plumbing stuff. Travis: Um, Planned Parenthood. That's not government sponsored. Danielle: I don't think that's going to be top of the list for this type of a situation. Travis: No. Danielle: Yeah, like, I don't know, maybe we do start over with like electricity and we do it like way better than the, that we have now because like in Texas. Encore. And uh, that. What's the other. What's the other crap that we have that's always messing up our grid? Travis: I don't know. Greg Abbott. Danielle: No, hold on. I got a, I got an app. Urot. Oh yeah, yeah. Chris: That's the one we hear about outside of your state. We could do way better well, hey, but you guys want your state wanted, you know, grid independence, so have to pay, like, energy tax or whatever to the government. Danielle: Yeah, we just paying more everywhere else, but that's fine. M. M.: Let it go, guys. Just die already. Like, all these people in this post apocalypse stuff Chris: Yeah, right? Other Chris: Everyone's cool with it. Chris: Well, if we do that, can you come over here and get rid of Duke for us, please? Danielle: Like, oh, yeah, I think my dad had Duke in Florida. It was pretty terrible too. Chris: They own, like, the east coast. Danielle: So let's just get rid of all those fuckers. Chris: Turn them back into municipal, like, organizations that just provide a service. Travis: Just set up local wind farms. Danielle: Yep. Other Chris: Yeah. Danielle: Some solar. Travis: Yeah. Other Chris: Like your own power. Burn your own coal, right? Yeah. Danielle: I don't know, though. Like, all these people in this, like, post apocalypse stuff, like, trying so hard to survive, just like, let it go, guys, and just like, just. Just die already. Like, wouldn't that be. Travis: They're trying to give you a hint, like, no one wants you here. Just give up. Danielle: I would just be like, you know what? This is the sign. Peace out. Travis: I can take a hint. Danielle: Yeah. Chris: Try to carry the flame of humanity. Danielle: No, no, the. The earth doesn't want us. It's time to bow. That's enough is enough. Other Chris: Take a turn. The dolphins and the raccoons will be gone. Danielle: And running water and electricity. I don't want to be here anymore. All right? That's the end of it. I'm not gonna fight to survive. Chris: Yeah, so I'm hearing we need to migrate to, like, Oregon or Washington before the end of the world. Yeah, I mean, you won't have power. Power, but you won't get super hot. M. Yeah, and you can just set up, like, some wind turbines later or, like, make a paddle wheel generator or something on one of them. Danielle: Oh, but I need the Internet. How will I look at my phone? I don't have the Internet. Travis: Just have to talk to people. Chris: Remember, we did survive without it for, like, 23 years of our life. Travis: You have to line up everybody and everybody in town, like, what are you talking about? I'm bored. Next. What are you. Danielle: Swipe off. Travis: Swipe off of you. Danielle: Close that app. Travis: Bored of you. Next. Other Chris: Say something already. Danielle: Yes. Silence. Other Chris: Next. Travis: You have to, like, bring your kids over and look at them instead of just seeing pictures. Other Chris: Everyone come look at my children. Travis: Yep, here they are. Other Chris: Look at how great they are. Travis: They are very tall, my children. Look at them. Other Chris: Yes. They are taller than they were yesterday. Travis: So, uh, I'm getting the impression that Danielle would have been one of these people that, like, what, you have underwear and tampons? I'M in. Not appearing in this film. But we're in the book. Yeah, yeah. Other Chris: Uh, I don't understand how you can like make a three hour movie and cut so much out of it. Chris: I know, right? Travis: Like, I don't want to, I don't want to this discussion here, but this whole movie was like, Kevin Costner got pitched the idea and he's like, okay, there's post. I got it. Shut up. I got it. Yeah, I'm going to go from here. I'm going to make your stupid book better. I got it. Chris: Give me some character names and some other shit. All right, we'll roll with it. Other Chris: Yeah, man. Travis: Yeah. Danielle: Kevin Costner's new western looks interesting. It's actually pretty interesting Other Chris: Anyway, but, uh, speaking of long, long Kevin Costner movies, I was reading the Wikipedia and um, uh, his, his new thing he's got coming out. I was reading. Yeah, that, his two part western. I read that it is, uh, a four plus part western and each part is going to be like three hours. I'm like, God damn it. Travis: Hard pass. Other Chris: Not, uh, make anything short. Danielle: How does Kevin Costner look like older in this movie than he does now? Like, what, what happened? Other Chris: Kevin. Kevin Costner was like, same way they made. Really kind of old. Chris: Yeah, same way they made Michael Fox look older than he was at 50. Other Chris: It's, it's, it's, it's the hairline probably. Travis: He was created old like dinosaur bones. Other Chris: Yeah. Travis: Yeah. Danielle: Well, and I know he was getting divorced, so he's got to like have a glow up so that you know. Oh yeah, he's getting divorced. Travis: Is that what it is? Danielle: Those younger ladies, I forgot about that. Chris: Wasn't his wife already a younger lady? Danielle: I think so. But like, I don't know. It's big drama, apparently with the Yellowstone stuff. Right? Chris: Yeah, that's what. Danielle: I didn't watch that, but that's what I hear. Chris: I did. I love it. It's gritty. There's a lot of like, person violence in that show. I never knew ranching in Montana could be so serious. Danielle: I know, right? In that show, like, who wants to learn about Montana? But I guess we all are. Chris: It's actually pretty interesting. Travis: Not unless it's Joe Montana. Chris: Oh, I have to say I like seeing, uh, Kevin Costner as a gritty cowboy. So I think I'm gonna enjoy this western movie. But I may only see one if they're not that good. Travis: I plan on seeing zero. Chris: I'm gonna see one. It looks interesting enough. Travis: I seen the commercials for him, like punching that guy though. Like, where are you talking about Crunch? M being an old badass guy or whatever. Danielle: What's in the closet? Travis: I don't know, but Lucy thinks there's something in there. Danielle: She just somersaulted. Travis: Uh, so. Hey, Danielle. Danielle: Yeah. Travis: How'd you like this movie? Danielle: I mean, I watched it. I mean, not the beginning. I was making a Facebook post. I will say at the beginning I was busy making a Facebook post and I missed a little. Travis: You didn't miss anything. Danielle: But I think that was all just like boring stuff. And then I was focused and uh. My God, was it long? Like, did it need to be this long? Other Chris: I don't think it did not. It did not. Travis: No, I wasn't. Danielle: I was very tired yesterday though, and I. And I was laying on the couch and I did stay awake, so I guess it held my attention enough for that. Travis: Yeah. Chris: So that counts for something. Other Chris: You actually, uh, I feel like you like, totally hit the nail on the head with that. Like I. I told Sharon, like, I give this movie like a C. It's. Yeah, it's a passing grade. It's a movie. It's. It's coherent. I can follow it. Travis: Yeah. Other Chris: M. It is. Otherwise, like, it's a movie. Yeah. Congratulations. You've watched a movie. Travis: Right? Danielle: Right. Travis: There was a beginning, middle and end. Other Chris: Yes. Travis: Yes. Other Chris: Uh. Oh, geez. Chris: Yeah. Travis: What do you think, Chris? Chris: Yeah. Yeah, it was a movie. And the whole time. I'm through. The movie is actually two hours and 57 minutes. Was it actually three hours Like, why did you change this? Travis: Yeah. Chris: Why did you make that? The thing I heard it was. Danielle: Not following the book. Travis: Not really. Chris: No. No. Other Chris: If. If you have three hours of movie, like there's lots of stuff you can fit in there. Travis: Right. Chris: I'd also forgotten it was three hours. Danielle: Was it actually three hours? Chris: Yes, it's two hours and 57 minutes. Danielle: Yeah. It felt longer. It honestly felt longer than that. Travis: Purposely did not tell Danielle how long it was going to be earlier. Chris: His first three hour movie we all paid attention to had come out Waterworld. Mhm. Travis: Uh, yeah. Danielle: I. Chris: Post apocalyptic. Danielle: I feel like. Other Chris: I mean, I like, like Costa in the 90s. There was, there was also Dances with Wolves. Danielle: I wanted to be watching that one. Other Chris: Yeah, yeah. The comment was, made a good movie. Travis: Yeah. Danielle: Could this be Dances with Wolves? Travis: Instead, imagine watching a good movie with. Chris: The same actor in it. Right? Travis: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Other Chris: Like, honestly not that different of a. Like a premise. Travis: Yeah. Other Chris: We're following a guy who's like, alone in the wilderness. Like they could have made that movie and it could have been good. Chris: The Frontier Towns. Other Chris: So. Danielle: Yeah, you saw his butt in that movie too. I didn't see his butt in this One. Travis: No, we saw that lady's butt. Other Chris: Uh, that's why this movie was poorly reviewed. Danielle: His butt in it. Travis: Mhm. Other Chris: Yeah. Like the Costner butt, like especially the really elevates. Danielle: It was a pretty good one back in the day. Other Chris: I mean, that's why Robin Hood, Prince of Thieves worked, right? Like you got a brief glimpse of that. But yeah, yeah, like waterfall. Chris: They literally the rest of the time. Travis: So they literally had that, the female gaze in that scene. Like it was a lady watching his ass and being like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Chris: I'd watch that again. Other Chris: I remember like, like that she was literally like the sort of character stand in for my mom. Chris: Yeah. Other Chris: Like everyone's like everyone's mom is ch. That was the first PG13 movie I ever got to see in the theater Checking out Kevin Costner. Chris: I'd be curious because. Well, I can't ask my mom now. But like that was the first PG13 movie I ever got to see in the theater. Danielle: That one was PG 13. Travis: Yeah, yeah. Danielle: They were like scalping people and stuff in that. Chris: Well, it was still a little tough, rougher back then. Travis: Yeah. Chris: Like, because my mom had to do her thing. Like. Okay, well let me find out why it's PG13. Travis: Yeah. Chris: Right. And then we will decide if I take you or not. So me and mom and grandma went to see it and I thought it was great because, you know, I was like what, like nine, eight? Travis: Yeah. Chris: Uh, and it was awesome and actiony. But I never, never, never occurred to me about Kevin Costner's butt for the adult ladies. Travis: Right. Chris: So. Other Chris: Oh, it's there for them. Yeah. Travis: I'm now picturing in the theater your mom and your grandma high fiving at that scene. Chris: Since I'm short just like silent high five over my head. Other Chris: Costner. Danielle: But could have just made this, this movie just a little better if there had been. Travis: Yeah, he was in the tub. It was right there for you. Danielle: No, it was the water cloudy and he was sitting on. Travis: Just have him lean over a little too far to get something. Just something so easy to fix this whole movie. Chris: At that point he's like, I'm not doing it again. Travis: Oh no. But I felt like they lampshaded it though, right? Because of his, uh, his donkey bill. Oh yeah, I love my ass. Danielle: That was the worst. Travis: I sure love my ass. I'm like that. Other Chris: Like, no, that. Chris: Honestly, that movie was so just a movie. I didn't even really pay attention to that. Other Chris: So like, like this is, this is Kevin Costner being self referential. Travis: Yes, exactly. Other Chris: Uh, like everyone talks about my ass. We'll put my ass in the movie. Chris: Yeah. Other Chris: Yeah. Travis: Also like, don't get a horse near this guy. In this whole movie, every horse suffered a terrible fates. Once they came across the unnamed postman. Chris: Yeah, sorry, sorry. Not named Gordon. You don't get to have horses anymore. Travis: Nope. Even when he died and they made a memorial. It's like the postman. Danielle: The postman. Chris: Yeah. Travis: John the postman. Chris: Yeah. Danielle: I guess that's why they had to do that one scene in slow motion so that we would understand the statue at the end. Other Chris: Right. Also because the movie needs to be three hours. Danielle: Yes. Travis: Even that scene was like, Ah, 10 minutes. It felt like 10 minutes long of like, I got it. The kid. Okay. Came back for like. Other Chris: Like it could have been one cut, but they had to have the whole thing. Like, oh, I missed him. And then he has to turn around and come back. Like. Chris: Right. Other Chris: No, you could have just had the kid run outside and hand him a letter. And it would have taken 12 seconds. Chris: Yeah. Other Chris: Like, there you go. Danielle: Why are you going that fast past the house anyway? If you're supposed to pick up post, like, calm down. Chris: He didn't see the little flag that they had a letter. Danielle: Oh my God. Chris: So he was just speeding off, you know. Other Chris: Also, Also, like, you could be murdered at any moment. Which, like, I don't think they really got that across until, like. No, like, like the sense of danger was not palpable except occasionally. Chris: Right, right. Travis: When there was like armies with, uh, freaking artillery cannons. Other Chris: Yeah. Travis: That they pointed at random towns with like, wooden fences. So, like, this is probably required because. Chris: They didn't open the door. Danielle: They watch Sound of Music like every day. Everybody in the Polonist army has emotional issues, you know Like, why were they so unhappy and violent? Chris: I think brutalized by their commanders. Other Chris: I think it's a. I think it's a commentary that, like, um, you know, every, every. Everybody in the Polonist army has. Has like, emotional issues, you know? And like. And like, even the fact that watching the Sound of Music is basically like. Oh, they're. They're kind of like, I don't know, like. Like this is the fact that this is like a comforting thing to them. And like, I don't know, the disparity, I guess. And yeah, like, like pointing out the sort of, like, weirdness of the psychology. I feel like they. I feel like they did an all right job in this movie of, of pointing out, like, what is the contradiction of being, uh, I don't know, this, this kind of man in denial of their emotions. Travis: Yeah. That was like, baffling at the time. They're like, boo, Universal soldier. Yay. Sound of Music. Chris: That's what they wanted. Danielle: We needed that scene. Chris: Yeah, yeah. Travis: Like, probably like one night they want to watch Dolph Lundgren do stuff. Like, I don't know, maybe they just got enough of that machismo, uh, in their day to day. They didn't need to see it on screen. Danielle: I also don't think they needed to like, pull all those people if they were just gonna kill them anyway. Like, why are you making all those people join your army just to murder them? Just leave them alone. Travis: Not gonna murder all of them. Danielle: Well, they murdered. Other Chris: Yeah. Travis: It's just enough to keep the other ones scared and in. Other Chris: No, no, it's. Yeah, it's, it's. It's a two part thing. One is sort of like, uh, putting people in a bad situation together builds camaraderie. I mean, it's like a Stockholm syndrome kind of like trauma bonding thing. You make people go through something difficult together. And also like, you get rid of the weakest people. Yeah, you just get rid of them. Danielle: Well, just don't bring them. Travis: You don't want to end up with Giovanni Ribisi in your army. Uh, like you can't have. Chris: Then you have to kill them. Other Chris: If you don't bring those weakest people, then somebody else has to be the weakest people. Chris: Or you could not be dick. Yeah, actual real recruiting that people want to join you instead of being, you know, racist, authoritarian. Travis: No. Other Chris: Yeah, I mean, you know, you could, you could, you know, draw people in by making a place that like, people actually want to be. Travis: That's hard though. Chris: Yeah. They could have, I don't know, restored the United States. Travis: No. Other Chris: Nah. Chris: No, not when they were part of the reason it fell in the story. Hey. Travis: Oh, a kitten Gypsy. Other Chris: Yeah, I mean, you know, couldn't wait for me. Chris: Which I also didn't like. Other Chris: What's his name? Like, talking about turning the frogs gay. Chris: Yeah. The guy who. Travis: Yeah, Alex Jones. Other Chris: Um, the guy who talks about the gay. Yeah, Alex Jones, the one who had. Chris: To sell off his sandy hook parents. Yeah, yeah. Other Chris: But I mean, you know, like. Like that's what I'm saying. Travis: Like imagine I ship that. Imagine not using it. Right. Danielle: I don't care. Other Chris: Imagine a future where all of the Alex Jones listeners start an army. Travis: Yeah. Chris: Oh, my God. Other Chris: Yeah. Travis: Imagine apocalypse. Other Chris: Like that's the gravy, what we're looking at. And all of those dudes secretly love the Sound of Music. Travis: Yeah, Right. Other Chris: Basically what the movie is saying. Travis: Yeah, but it's not okay to admit that. Other Chris: Look at all these guys, like, not in touch with their Emotions. Travis: Yeah, yeah. Yep. The movie is three hours long. Did it have an intermission? No, I don't think so Uh, so the thing that, like, in retrospect, made me the angriest about this movie. Chris: Mhm. Travis: So they basically rolled all of the women characters into Abby. Chris: Yeah. Other Chris: Yeah. Travis: So Dino is nowhere to be seen. Other Chris: Right. Travis: None of her Amazons or anything. No. Talk about, like, feminism in the post apocalypse world. Other Chris: More than one woman. What are you talking about? Danielle: No, there can only be one. Travis: And so because they combined her together, what she did was be pregnant and be angry at him. So they made her shrill and pregnant. The one female character in this book that's ostensibly about, you know, feminism potentially being the, uh, way of the future. Yeah, the postman pregnant. Other Chris: To me, the post man. Yeah, exactly. Travis: She never looked pregnant. She just showed up with a kid. Yeah. Danielle: All of a sudden she had a baby. Like, what happened? What happened? Other Chris: Yeah, yeah. Travis: Like, we can't cast two women in this movie that would take away from Kevin Costner time. Other Chris: Right. So three hours. Right, Three hours. Travis: I was almost to the point where I was like, did he just not read the second half? Chris: No, I don't think so. Travis: I don't know what happens after this. So I'm just making. Chris: I don't need that. Danielle: He made his own script. He went rogue. Other Chris: Yeah, that was a little, A little too. Chris: He just said, hey, it's based on the book. Travis: Said, I don't get this part. So, um, leave it out. Other Chris: It's a little too six Sci fi. I don't know. Yeah, it's a little too. Travis: Whatever. Other Chris: Classic. These ideas are weird and I don't like them. Travis: I don't like them at all. That's not what gets people in the theater. Other Chris: And also people will be confused even though we have three hours to explain it. Chris: Yeah. Travis: And I also didn't like, did I. Other Chris: Did I, Did I mention that the movie is three hours long? Travis: No, I don't think episode three hours long. So like. No, we're going for it. Let's talk about every minute of this movie. Chris: No, let's not. Danielle: Did it have an intermission? Chris: No, I don't think so. I think they just showed it. Travis: Just showed it. That's first of all, irresponsible of them. Danielle: Yeah, Titanic got one that was like three hours and 14 minutes. Chris: Did they? I don't remember an intermission in there. Danielle: Yep, some of them got an intermission. Chris: I know. Other Chris: Uh, I feel like it's one of those things where, like, some of the theaters had the intermission and some they. Travis: Had to change the reels over nowadays. Danielle: They're like, you can see. Other Chris: I don't remember an intermission in Titanic. Danielle: Yep, I went to it a couple times, many times. And there was intermissions. Other Chris: Oh, lots of, lots of people saw that movie a lot of times. That's how movies worked back then. Danielle: Yeah, well, what else were we gonna do? We didn't have the phones, they didn't have the Internet. We had to go do something. Other Chris: Exactly. Chris: We had tv. Danielle: I didn't have cable though, so. Chris: Well, there you go. Travis: Um, that was your bad. Chris: Yeah, I did. So I had more options at that point, but. Yeah, but we did get one for that Civil War movie that grandma took me to in the 94 with Jonathan Frakes. Travis: That one, Blue and Gray or whatever it was. No, the one we watched in Captain America High School. Chris: No, Captain America. Uh, Gettysburg. Right. That's a movie. Travis: Yeah. Chris: That was it. Travis: Yeah. Jonathan Frakes was in a Star Trek program. Yeah. This is true. I'm going to look it up Chris: Yeah. That was four hours. I had an intermission. Travis: What's Jonathan Frakes in that one? What am I thinking of? There's a Civil War movie we watched in high school with Jonathan Frakes in it as Long Street. Other Chris: Was it. Was it Ripley's, uh, Was M it fact or fiction? Travis: I don't think so. Other Chris: Believe it or not. Travis: But I remember that other Chris and I, Sorry. Watched the video together and we were talking over it and everyone was very annoyed. That's what I remember about it now. I'm going to look it up on. Danielle: Your phone that you have access to. Travis: I have access to my phone, yeah. Danielle: Yeah. Other Chris: Even though you're sitting in front of a computer, which you also. Travis: But then I'd have to like, type. Danielle: So he doesn't need the big Internet for this. He only needs. Travis: This is a little Internet. Other Chris: The little Internet, that's a little window into the Internet. Travis: Uh, I'm not like buying anything. Other Chris: It's fine. This isn't serious research. Travis: Jonathan Frakes. Hey, did you know he was in the Star Trek program? Other Chris: He was. Was, ah, he in Star Trek? Travis: He was in a program. Other Chris: Was he in that one? Chris: Yeah, he was in a Star Trek. Travis: He was in many Star Treks. Other Chris: Yeah, he sat on chairs. Weird. And he played a trombone. Travis: Yeah, he sure did. The person that see enough of his. Danielle: Ass, the person that wrote this book, was very wrong about 2013. Travis: This is true. Danielle: I was like, what is good? Where are we? 2013. Then the future. Travis: The future. Chris: The way far future of 2013. Travis: And then we skipped ahead to 2043, the year with his daughter who was named Not Rose, because that would have made sense just in a made up city called Saint Rose. Um, which was stupid. I thought that was stupid. Other Chris: Yeah, but Tom Petty was there. Chris: That's true. Travis: Tom Petty was there and playing himself. Other Chris: Yeah, basically. Yeah. Chris: He survived the war. Travis: You used to be famous, right? Chris: Yes. Other Chris: Dude, If I knew Tom Petty, I'd put him in a movie. Travis: Yeah. Chris: Yeah. Travis: I think it was called north and South. Chris: That sounds right. Travis: And South. Other Chris: North and South. Is that the Matthew Broderick one? Chris: That sounds like a one. No, that was Glory. Other Chris: Yeah, that was a good one. Chris: Oh, my God. Danielle: My aunt loved Glory. She always had that in her house. I remember seeing. That was a two, uh, cassette. Two videotape movie. Other Chris: Yeah. Uh, yeah. Chris: It's a long story. Other Chris: She never made you watch it and was. Danielle: I don't think she did. I don't think I've ever seen it. But I remember seeing the movie Box. Chris: Yeah, I watched it on TV the first way. That's the first I saw it. Travis: Yeah. Other Chris: Yeah. Chris: So it was on one of them cable channels. Danielle: Yeah, we didn't have that. Sorry. Chris: I know. Sorry for you. Other Chris: Yeah. Danielle: Four people. I don't know what to tell you. Chris: Also how I saw a Rocky Horror Picture show for the first time. Tim Curry's at his weirdest finest in that movie Travis: Oh. Chris: I didn't know it existed. And then it was in seventh grade and one of my friends came over and we did our trick or treating. We were done just chilling in my. In my. On my couch, eating our candy. And, uh, we're flipping through and like, this looks interesting. Travis: Mm. Chris: Like there's, like, characters. And then. It was fantastic. Danielle: I've never seen it. Other Chris: Oh. Travis: Um. My God. Chris: And then years later, that. That friend turned out to be gay. So what do you know along that? Travis: Shocking. Shocking. Chris: Yeah. Other Chris: Yeah. No, I fully buy it. Travis: It could be because of watching it. Chris: It could. Other Chris: No, it's. Chris: It was the catalyst at his weirdly finest. Other Chris: Causality. The wrong direction. Yeah, right. Chris: Like I said, Tim Curry's at his weirdest finest in that movie. Travis: Yes. And he has sex with everybody. Chris: Yeah. Travis: We should watch it, though, for Halloween. You will probably not like it, but I've never seen. I want to watch it. Chris: It's delightful in 70s E. And the, uh, musical. Travis: Super campy Gypsy. Chris: I don't think that's work. Other Chris: Uh, definition of camp. Travis: The guy is, like, from here. Like, his other stuff is sent in, like, Denton. Danielle: Oh, okay. Travis: So you know where that is, right? Danielle: I do, yeah. Travis: So see, you'll learn about Texas, too. Danielle: Oh, great. Can't wait for that. Travis: It'll be great. Danielle: Love Texas. Chris: What are you doing? Other Chris: My. My brother, Speaking of random cities in Texas. Uh, man, this is a. This is a far off tangent. And I'm sorry for taking you in this direction. Waco is famous for nuclear winter and the sex scandal Travis: Well, we gotta fill three hours, so go right ahead. Chris: Yeah, we don't. Danielle: I gotta go to bed. Other Chris: My brother sent me a meme the other day that was like, I'll just. Chris: Nope, out of here. Other Chris: I don't know who this is. You don't know Christian rock. Travis: Yeah. Chris: Good. Other Chris: And it was, it was a picture of David Koresh. The other thing that uh, like, like random towns in Texas are famous for. Chris: Oh, oh, yes. Travis: Good old Waco. Famous for Silence of the Lambs and that other thing. Chris: Yeah. Travis: Oh, and the sex scandal. Other Chris: I didn't know he could like rip some sweet solos though. David Koresh, like maybe I would. I don't know. Travis: There's a reason people followed him and Messiah. Chris: Right. So why not? Other Chris: Yeah, yeah. He good at guitar then? Travis: Yeah. It's like one episode of Tenacious D, right? Other Chris: Yeah, yeah. Travis: That was a documentary about the Branch division. He rocked their socks off. Chris: I recommend you do that. Like now you're stuck. It's kind of funny. Travis: Yeah. I, I also think that he completely missed the point about the postman's network. Like instead of it being like, oh, we're gonna like Chris was saying, risk our lives to reestablish communication because that's the important thing. Like they're basically just Robin Hood and his merry men now. Like just off to go, off and do whatever and have very self important speeches about America. Other Chris: Yeah. Chris: But hey, eventually it makes America again. Travis: I guess. Uh, they willed it into existence. But it was like, I don't know, I've got like a very hook Lost Boys vibe from the whole thing. Maybe just because it was the 90s. Chris: Yeah. Other Chris: I don't know. They did have that one random old Vietnam guy. Travis: Yeah, yeah. Danielle: He knew, he knew like radio stuff and guns. Travis: Yes. Other Chris: Yeah. Travis: He's like, here's what we did back in Nam. Light this car on fire and throw it at them. Chris: Yep, yep. Travis: What? What the hell? Chris: Why did you do that anyways? Travis: Why did you do that guy? I did like all of their like patchwork uniforms with not enough stars on the flag. Other Chris: Yeah. Travis: I thought that was cute. Other Chris: But it's like, man, every, Everybody's wearing like 17 layers of blow them in this. Chris: Yep. Danielle: It was before climate change. Travis: It was after climate change. Other Chris: Yeah. Travis: Nuclear winter. Chris: I think it's because they gotta go over the mountains and it can get cold. Travis: Mhm. Mhm. Chris: You're trying to cross a mountain, you go up and then it gets cold on and then you got to go down again. Travis: Right in the Valley. It gets cold, you know, But. Other Chris: But even then, it's like, even. Even in the warm areas, like, they're still wearing their 17 layers. Travis: Yeah. Chris: You can't take off your shit. Someone will steal it. Travis: Turtlenecks and scarves. Danielle: Yeah, that turtleneck that, like, she cut off of him. So why would he. Was he still wearing it for the rest of the movie? Travis: If she sewed it back together, she. Danielle: Like, cut it when she was trying to fix his injury and he still had it. Travis: Yeah. Yeah. Uh, so. Yeah, a very convenient lion. Like, why? I guess they did say it must have been a zoo near here. And I guess that did happen in the book, too. But then they never talked about it again. Other Chris: Right. Chris: Far enough away from it. Travis: Chekhov's lion. But in the same act, the lion goes off and kills a guy. Other Chris: Yeah. I like the difficulties you have of doing a Shakespeare off in a movie Travis: That's weird. Chris: Asshole. So it worked. Danielle: That was my favorite. Travis: Should have turned the movie off then. Okay, good. We got away. The end. Yippee. Yippee. Uh, and I guess you kind of have to do this sort of thing for a movie. You can't just have him be, like, all in his interior monologue the whole time, but have him talking to, like, everything all the time. He seemed like an insane person. Danielle: Yep. Travis: Talking to his pony. Other Chris: Uh, I would do that. Travis: Yeah. Yeah. Other Chris: I mean, I would. I would be walking through the woods, muttering to myself. Chris: I think Bill listens, just can't talk back. Travis: Yeah. Like, he's a kickass sword fighter, too. Bill the pony. Yeah. Like I'm saying, you, uh, turn the movie off in 30 minutes in. It's a better movie. Like. Other Chris: Right? Chris: Yeah. Travis: It's a story of how you escaped from the whole nests. And then. That's it. Chris: What are you doing? You can't see, so I don't know what you're attempting to do. Travis: She doesn't know either. Chris: She doesn't know either. She has no clue. Travis: Yeah. Chris: Uh, gonna fall down behind a box. I'll have to get her out later. Uh, I can't see very well anymore, so. Travis: Yeah. Poor kitten. Chris: Yeah. Travis: Uh, Giovanni Rivisi has never been any other way, as far as I can tell. Other Chris: Yeah. Travis: Even after the war that ended the world, he's kind of just that guy. Other Chris: Yeah, I like that. Um, he got really high billing in this movie despite appearing in it for, like, a full 20 minutes of three hours. Travis: Yeah, right. He was that one weird guy at the. When they were captive in the beginning. Other Chris: The kind of one weird guy. Danielle: Oh, yeah, the one that he stabbed. Travis: And he was like, why would you stab Me? Chris: Oh, uh, because you, you just sold out. Travis: Yeah. Other Chris: Like honestly, the fact that you don't understand why I'm stabbing you is why I'm stabbing you. Chris: Like I said, he's a little special. Travis: Yeah, he's Giovanni Ravisi. Yeah, we got it. Other Chris: Yeah. Travis: That's how he's always been. Chris: That's the characters he usually plays. Travis: Yes. I also like the difficulties you have of doing a Shakespeare off in a movie that's like for the general population. Other Chris: Right? Chris: Yeah. Travis: Like none of these quotes they were quoting to each other had anything to do with each other. It's not like it was repartee or anything. It's like I also know the most famous Shakespearean quotes. Other Chris: No, no, it wasn't, it wasn't about the quotes. It's about the meaning of the quotes. Right? Yeah, they're both spouting their ideologies, using Shakespeare and you know, like the whole, the whole camp agreeing with this dude's ideology versus his. Right. But like it's, it's more just. I don't know, he said his louder. Yeah, yeah, so they like that one, you know. Chris: No, it's. He's got guys to tell them, clap for him, assholes. Travis: Right. Chris: You know, he didn't have to be anything. He would still win. Other Chris: But I mean, but, but that was. The point is like, if you listen to the content of the quotes, like they are both stating their beliefs through Shakespeare. Travis: Yeah. Other Chris: And like countering each other. Like, like, oh, I, I think, you know, like, like war and power. And I think like, uh, this world kind of sucks and maybe I don't want to be here. Like, you know, like. Like what? Like they're displaying sort of. He, he has a softness and he has like a, like a violence. M. M.: I felt maybe I wasn't reading enough into it Travis: Yeah. Other Chris: Basically is what they're displaying through their Shakespeare quotes. Which. Chris: Right. Other Chris: Honestly says more about how great Shakespeare is than this. Yeah, exactly. Travis: Right. Other Chris: But. But it got the point across for me. Chris: Mhm. Travis: I don't know. Other Chris: I got the quotes I identify with. Travis: I felt more like Kevin Costner was like trying to just come up with something. I felt maybe, maybe I wasn't reading enough into it. Other Chris: A few like legitimately clever things in the movie, I think. Think uh, like, like that was like if you're paying attention, it tells you a lot. But. Yeah. Travis: Yeah. Are you saying I didn't pay attention? Other Chris: I'm saying, I'm saying there's a lot. Danielle: To pay attention to a three hour movie. Chris: M. Yeah. Other Chris: Like even at that point you're like already. All right, like let's get on with this. Travis: Yeah, yeah. Chris: Like why are they spending 40 minutes with this part? You could have done this in like 10. Travis: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Other Chris: Or they, they could have done it better by just like following the book and making the wholeness sort of like. Travis: Yeah. Other Chris: An enemy over the other. Like you know, like make, make them, make them an unseen threat for most of the movie and Right. Like build the tension instead of kind. Chris: Of the Seven Samurai. Other Chris: But not like let him, let him run into like the dead bodies on the road and be like wholeness. Travis: Right. Chris: Yeah. Other Chris: Like don't show them, make them much more threatening than like, like it really does feel like uh, by, by showing them too early they really removed the fear. Travis: Right. Other Chris: It's like, oh, this guy is kind of a jackass actually. Travis: Yeah. Other Chris: He's kind of a pompous idiot. Like he's, he's not like, like they just undercut the sort of like the threat actually. Travis: Yeah, yeah. And like, and making him like. Okay, so like I understand sort of it's a movie. You want to show people what's going on so they understand whatever. Other Chris: Yeah. Travis: But I agree it would have been better if they made it more off screen threat until it was business time. Chris: Yes. Travis: But like making them like direct enemies with each other like. Other Chris: Mhm. Travis: I felt was not the Gordon from the book. Other Chris: Yeah, exactly. Travis: The book want to be like someone else needs to get in here and do this because I'm not that guy. I'm not going to fight a general. Other Chris: Yeah. Travis: It's like no, it's got to be me. Man on man. Fisticuffs like no. Other Chris: Yeah, exactly. Travis: I'm gonna vault off my horse and wrestle you to the ground. Other Chris: I mean maybe, maybe like a cavalry battle was just too much for this three hour like multi million dollar budget. Travis: I guess. Other Chris: I don't know. Right. Chris: Completely failed. Danielle: Yeah. Other Chris: Like we'll just do a duel and then we don't have to organize all these people. Travis: Or even the book was like yeah. Then some worse stuff happened later. Other Chris: Yeah. Travis: And that was fine. Chris: Yeah. Let's focus on personal things. Was it just that Chamberlain? No. It wasn't the burn. I think you mentioned it though Travis: Let's focus on personal things. Other Chris: But I mean, I mean and, and even in the, even in the book, like it wasn't even him fighting him. Right, right. Like he was just kind of like off to the side and like watching someone else fight him. M and it was like I, I, I don't remember if you mentioned it or uh, if it was. I think you mentioned it though. Like the Dragon Ball Z style like yeah, man, they're moving so fast. Travis: Right. Other Chris: Like he's, he's just the Fucking like Krillin in this situation. Travis: He just happened to get wrapped up in it. I think that's a better character arc for someone who's like, the opportunity landed in my lap. I didn't really want it. I tried to get away, but ultimately I couldn't turn away from the responsibility. Instead of being like, I have to personally go and show everybody that I'm the fucking badass guy. Now I'm gonna take over the whole NEST army by showing him my eight tattoo. Yeah. Danielle: Look, he messed up his outfit though. Chris: I'm gonna claim the right challenge. Travis: Yes. Other Chris: You've already established that. That someone will fix his shirt. Danielle: Yeah. Apparently doesn't matter if he rips the. Chris: Sleeve by like the next scene. They'll fix it for him. Danielle: Yeah, I liked it that. I liked it that he shaved off his, like, beard and they're like, I don't know that guy anymore. It's totally. Chris: Yeah, right. Totally different. Wasn't the guy who was just here a week ago? Travis: Yeah. Was it just that Chamberlain? No. Bethlehem was that much of an idiot. It's like, I don't recognize you at all. Chris: Remember copy? He was a copy machine. Salesman. Danielle: Salesman. Travis: Yeah. Chris: He was not involved. Travis: Uh, you got to know your clients. Like, you have a little bit of a memory for people, right? No, I guess not that guy. Or maybe he's just that self important and sees that many people. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Had to go do his poor job of painting. Chris: Yep. Travis: Which I didn't think it was that bad. Danielle: No, I thought it looked okay. I mean. Yeah, that was like an unnecessary. Travis: Very self centered. There's a low blow. Kevin Costner. Chris: I mean, at least you gotta have somebody else painting you. Other Chris: It would have been better if he found something more nitpicky to say about the painting. Travis: Yeah, yeah. Other Chris: It's like. Like I can see that you're trying to do the chiaroscuro thing, but, like, it's just not working. Travis: Like Charles. Danielle: It wasn't the burn. He thought it was. Chris: And he would have been like, damn it, you're smarter than me. And I hate that I'm the smart one here. Travis: Right. Speaking of sword smart guys, like, I liked him finding that lighter in the post office truck and then being very ape like. Other Chris: Oh, yeah. Oh, no. Chris: That was fun. No one got Michael's dog joke, I was sad Other Chris: Um, turned into Tim Allen for like. Danielle: He looked like Tim Allen in some parts of the movie. Travis: Maybe he was. Chris: Yeah. Travis: But no one got his dog joke. And I was sad. Danielle: Oh, no one did. Travis: Gotta put all your dogs on leashes when I'm in town. They're like, what the fuck? Yeah, no one gets that. That kid didn't even know what a postman was. Other Chris: I don't even know what a leash is. Travis: I would given anything for someone like. Like Chris was saying, you're not funny. Just bring the mail. Not paying you to tell jokes. Yeah. Other Chris: Um, oh, man. And that, uh, Sharon was commenting on the uh, the old lady's accent. I'm like, yeah, like, where the are you from? Travis: Which old lady? The blind one. Other Chris: Again. Like, why do you sound like Blanche Dubois? Chris: You know, she, um, was from back east or something. Travis: She happened to be visiting when the. The winter happened. Yeah. Chris: Yeah. Travis: Got snowed in and everybody thought it'd. Chris: Be over by Christmas or something. Danielle: Oh, is that like what happened? Because that was the part I missed. Travis: That's the part they never told you. Yeah. They never told you. Chris: The three year winter that everyone somehow. Travis: Made it through again. Danielle: Why did they try so hard and. Chris: Everything is just now kind of getting back into a natural regular rhythm. Travis: Yeah. Chris: Like the rains come all the time now birds are flying again. Danielle: Yeah. That was only 2013. Oh boy. Do we have some news for them. Travis: Yeah. Wait till you get guess what? Chris: I'm assuming for them the world ended like the year the movie came out in 97 or something. Other Chris: Yeah, I mean, I mean they, they, you know, they did have their own pandemics, to be fair. Travis: Yes. They had again. Other Chris: Super mumps or whatever. Chris: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Travis: I love dating in the post apocalypse. You never had syphilis, Right? I'm like, uh. Or the super or the super mumps. Other Chris: No, I mean, how will you know. Travis: I just met you cuz you get. Chris: Bumps in your ball. Swell. That's how you know you remember having that? Travis: No. But if you just met some, you just met somebody that bring nowhere to know but by a man. A drink first. Danielle: Like, look, here's my husband. He didn't say no. Didn't say no yet. Travis: Yeah, that was creepy. Danielle: Husband's like, yes, I'm going to murdered. Travis: M. Yeah, that was sad. Poor Michael. Chris: He was a nice guy. Other Chris: Yeah. Danielle: Yeah. He didn't deserve it. No justice for Michael. Travis: Yeah. Other Chris: And. And guess what? Another. Another change from the book. Travis: Yeah. Other Chris: How they felt was necessary. Like now we need to get rid of this guy. And we also need to make her the, uh, main one primary love interest. Travis: Right. Other Chris: This needs to happen because no, we. Abby and Michael have kids born in wedlock. And so they totally survived the point by changing it in the movie Travis: Could have just left her there. He could have still had a reason to fight for her because he kept going back to Pine Ridge, come back. Chris: And see her and be like, oh, that's My kid. Even though it's your guy. His kid. Travis: Yeah. Danielle: You know, body father or whatever they said. Chris: Yeah. Come to see my kid grow up. Every now and then I'm around sperm donor. Other Chris: And um, that's a little too new age hippie for the 90s, I don't know. Travis: I guess. Chris: I mean, they proposed in the 80s. Other Chris: So, uh, you can't just like, you know, like, have a kid outside of wedlock and still care about it or something? I don't know. Chris: Technically. Didn't though. Abby and Michael. Travis: Yeah. Chris: Their kids born in wedlock. Other Chris: Yeah. Chris: It's weird, right? Other Chris: No, like, but like I said, like, even that, even that idea, it's like, maybe that's too weird for the 90s, I guess. Chris: I guess that's what made it like super futuristic y Post apocalypse Y. Because you have to throw all that shit out the window, right? Other Chris: Yeah. And so. And so they totally survived the point by changing it in the movie, right? Chris: Yeah, they did, yeah. Yeah. Travis: And then we had to watch it happen too. Chris: I know. Danielle: It was like a long time. Travis: And they were like, oh, it's over. Danielle: Like, oh, never mind. Other Chris: Is this necessary? Travis: They put us in the couch here and made us watch the cock chair. Chris: He could have just been, uh. Had a gun on you, Michael. You're that close to the guy. You'll still die, but do the world some favors and blow that dude's brains out. Danielle: Yeah. For real. Chris: He's talking about being a feudal lord. Just end him. Travis: Um, that's okay. Danielle: He. He was like, impotent anyway. Chris: Yeah. Other Chris: Yeah. Chris: Uh, why such a dick? Danielle: That is. Soup was prominent in this movie Travis: Oh, hey, speaking of dicks, President Richard Stanky. Chris: Starkey. Travis: Starkey. Stanky, Starkey. Other Chris: I like Stanky better. Travis: Is that a name I'm supposed to like? He just. Danielle: Right. Travis: Just made it up. Um, sounded like he maybe had some song lyrics. I'm like, is this a band? I don't know, like a lead singer of a band. Danielle: He just wanted his broth. Other Chris: Yeah, yeah. Travis: His two bowls. Danielle: Two bowls of broth and he is full. Travis: Get out. Other Chris: Yeah. Travis: Steal a horse and get out. Chris: Yeah. Other Chris: I mean, yeah. Like, soup was prominent in this movie. Danielle: A lot of soup. Chris: You know why? Other Chris: Yeah, A lot of soup. Chris: Easy to make when you have nothing. Other Chris: It's true. Travis: Just need some heat and water. Chris: Yeah. Travis: Literally anything in there. Other Chris: Yeah. Travis: Shoe leather or whatever. Danielle: Stones. Chris: A video waiting in my YouTube list of from some girl who does medieval reenactments. Travis: Yeah. Chris: Uh, what would you get at a medieval tavern? It would be soup. Danielle: Mhm. Chris: Stew. That kind of shit. And some like beer. Travis: Yeah, yeah. Chris: That you'd get. Danielle: Yep. Chris: Easy to do. Danielle: Romances. That is what they have all the time. Chris: Yeah. Danielle: Have a stew at their pubs that they go to. Chris: Yeah. You just have a big old cauldron over the fire. Travis: You can cook it all day. Chris: Yeah. Travis: It's not gonna get like overcooked. Chris: It's hearty. Travis: Yeah. Chris: Yeah. Travis: You can feed a whole town. Can big enough pot. Chris: Yep. Other Chris: Yes. Travis: Why did that girl know the lyrics to America America if she never heard what a postman was? Other Chris: That was a little bit. Chris: Her parents taught it to her. I don't know. Travis: I guess. But why? Like, there seemed to be a lot of, uh. I don't know, like, desire for America amongst the people, I guess is what they're hinting at. Like they're carrying on the traditions. Oh, yeah. As soon as they saw the flag, they're like. Yeah, yeah. Chris: It's hopeful. It's not the wholeness. Travis: Bald eagles. Other Chris: I mean like, like I feel like, uh, I, I feel like that was also kind of like missing the point. Like it isn't, it isn't some like, weird patriotism. It's just like, uh, was better before all this. Chris: Yeah. Other Chris: Trying to bring your world so like the focus on like the, I don't know, like it, it wouldn't be so much like, oh, I miss America. It's like I, I miss like, things being okay. Travis: Yeah. Chris: You know, that's the Sunday we need to be okay again. Travis: So like having conversation with my friends and family in another town. Danielle: I miss being able to go to the Walmart and getting like, my food there. Travis: Yes. I use, ah, cotton underwear. Danielle: Yes. Chris: While I live in the Walmart. Because it's a sound structure. Travis: Right. Chris: That was my plan. Is to go find the rest of the Jews that survive and we'll start a village somewhere. Travis: Yeah. Well, you gotta survive. I feel like General Bethlehem could have been more villainous in this movie Chris: She's alive. Travis: Can, uh, teach the Bene Gesserit how to do stuff. Chris: Yep. Travis: Yeah. Other Chris: Get that, get that kibbutz going in the future. Chris: Yeah. That's all we got to do. Just make a walled kibbutz and then we'll keep our traditions alive for the future generations some point in time. We're probably the only literate people in that world, so. Travis: Geez. Chris: Yeah. Travis: And like, uh, Beth, uh, General Bethlehem. Like, hated the idea of the post office for no reason. Chris: Like, yeah. Travis: He rolled into town and saw a post. I was like, burn it down. I don't think he even knew someone was delivering mail right there. It's just like, burn it. Chris: Yeah. Like, why's a Flag up. Uh, burn it. Travis: Burn it. Burn the thing. Throw that. Chris: How about we burn you, sir? That's a great idea. Travis: I'm gonna make you do it too. Chris: Yeah. Travis: Other guy. I'm not doing it myself. Chris: I'll be like, how about we tie you to the flagpole, General, and light you on fire? Travis: Yeah. Chris: I don't like that guy, so. Other Chris: No, you're not supposed to like him. He's the villain. Chris: A little too villainy, like a little too much. Travis: Yeah. Other Chris: Honestly, I feel like he could have been more villainous. Chris: Yeah. Other Chris: I don't know. Chris: I don't know. Other Chris: Like, like, I, I, I don't know. I, I feel like he, like, I, I didn't buy him as like an effective leader. Chris: No, I didn't either. Just a fear based leader. Other Chris: Yeah. Chris: That has the right around him to keep it going. Travis: Do you see his cool leather? Other Chris: He wasn't, he wasn't manipulative enough. Travis: Yeah, well, he has other people. Other Chris: He needed to be more of a, of a psychopath. Danielle: I mean, I wanted him to die right away, though, so I guess it worked for me. Travis: Again, the shorter movie. Yeah, yeah, yeah. If he had just shot him on the way out of camp. That's for Bill the pony. I'm out. Chris: Right? Travis: Justice for Bill Costner out. Chris: Yeah. Travis: Oh, my God. Uh, this movie made me laugh more than it wanted to. Like, uh, again, the, the horse jousting at the end where they just like flew at each other. Like the Matrix. Other Chris: They just. Oh yeah, I almost died that they just like, it was like, it was. Danielle: Like when you go to, um, Medieval Times, they're. And they're like. Travis: Yeah, but even they do a better job of what we saw. Chris: Yeah, they do. Travis: They at least have a splintery like balsa wood lance or something. Other Chris: Yeah, like, like, like, I don't, I don't think that that's like a really effective way to fight. It's like if a dude's gonna jump off his horse, like you stay on yours. Travis: Yes. And then hit him with a sword or kick him in the face. Other Chris: Like if you're smart. Travis: Yes. Other Chris: Like, don't get off the horse. Travis: The dude had the sword with him on the ground later. Like, if he's coming at you unarmed, stab with the sword. He didn't deserve to be the leader of the homeless army. He was stupid is what I'm saying. Other Chris: Right. Travis: But like, that and the, uh, I don't know, it seemed like every once in a while you just had to stop. Like, what the fuck is this movie doing? Other Chris: Right? Chris: Yeah. Travis: Just What? Why? Why are we doing this? Like all the like, shenanigans they're getting into, setting up their paper route with their kids. Other Chris: Yeah. Travis: Like, oh boy, post office needs to be at the bottom of this hill. Jeez. We talked about the kid with his postman in the movie Uh, anyway, uh, what else I didn't talk about here? The guy getting hit in the nuts with the tree branch. Chris: Yeah. Travis: Again, could have just cut it off there. I'm like, okay, good. Chris: Yep. Travis: Get out while you're ahead, guys. Chris: Yep. Travis: And we talked about the kid with his postman, esp. Chris: Mhm. Travis: That could have been a two minute scene. Instead was like 20. Other Chris: Yeah. Travis: He looked so long after him. Like, oh, God damn it. Missed the pickup. But he was the slow turn back. Chris: Yeah. Travis: Dumb. Other Chris: Like, who's that kid even sending a letter to? Travis: Yeah, exactly. Other Chris: Like, you didn't establish any of that? Like, why is this so important? Danielle: How does he know how to write? Do we have schools? What's going on? Travis: Not in this movie. Other Chris: Like, what a what a what an excellent point. Travis: Not in this movie version where they. Other Chris: Talk about, like, yeah, most people don't know how to fucking read. Chris: Right. Travis: Like, yeah, even Abby was like, I'm sending this letter in hopes I'll be able to read when I get a response in a year. Other Chris: Yeah. Chris: How'd you write it? Other Chris: It was only the people, like, who. Who were alive from before. Chris: Yeah. Other Chris: The older even sort of remembered and like, most people were like out of practice. And. Yeah. They talk about, uh, I can read like the label on a, you know, a food wrapper. Like, I can read well enough for that. But like a letter, like, no. Travis: A whole letter. No. Other Chris: People. People don't like write sentences anymore. Nope. You know. Travis: Yep. His first bag of mail had a Valpak in it. Like a thing of coupons was still getting delivered. Chris: Oh, uh, yeah. Travis: Appreciate it. Danielle: They didn't like pay to send any of these letters either. These postman were just like off there doing this for no pay. Just for funsies. Travis: Well, they sort of asked how much it costs, but they never said food. Danielle: They're just doing it for fun. Travis: And even that post office they set up, like, it looked like hook to me. Yeah, yeah, it was much. It was giving hook. Danielle: The Lost boys. Travis: Yes. Danielle: Like, look, Peter, play area. Travis: We have a skateboard ramp to deliver our mail or whatever. Like, wouldn't seem as out of place. Other Chris: Yeah. Travis: These fucking kids. But I guess that was maybe part of the point. They're like, the kids are the ones who's going to restore the country. Like, it's up to them. Other Chris: Get mhm Their revolution is a young person's game. Travis: Yes. Other Chris: You know? Travis: Yes. Danielle: Should we teach them to read first? Nah, they'll figure it out. Bethlehem wants Ford Lincoln Mercury hunted down and killed Travis: No, there was also a point where, uh, like, for the fourth time, we cut back to Bethlehem being like, I want him hunted down and killed. Like, weren't you already doing that? I'm about to kill Ford Lincoln Mercury. Danielle: Ford Lincoln Mercury. Travis: But wait a minute. Maybe I won't do that. Other Chris: Huh? Travis: Hunt down the postman instead. I want him dead. Danielle: Yes. Travis: It's his family dead. Danielle: But, like, he's like, it's never going to be over, but, like, that other guy came from California and didn't even know those people. So, like, killing. Other Chris: Yeah, exactly. Danielle: It's been like, what was that gonna do? Travis: Yeah. Danielle: Those people are still. Other people are still out there. Travis: Yeah. Danielle: He didn't think this through. Travis: No. Other Chris: No, he didn't. Travis: Not even. Chris: That wasn't the plan. Travis: Right. Chris: It was just to get into a town and get some food that was. Grew from there, became a thing. Travis: Yes. There were, like 8,000 horses in this movie, and half died There were, like 8,000 horses in this movie, and half of them died because of Jordan. Chris: Horses do fine without humans. Travis: 8,000 horses. Like, I've expected William Shatner to show up in this movie. Chris: It's probably. Other Chris: I want to see the Postman with William Shatner. Travis: Yeah. Chris: He's probably off to the side helping take care of the horses. Travis: Probably. There probably were some of his horses, honestly. Chris: Yeah, probably were. Travis: Probably. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. Danielle: Every, uh, every Costner was in this movie also. Did you read. Travis: Yeah. So many Costner offspring. Other Chris: Yeah. Cost Spring, they ran out of actors. Travis: You know, they spent it on horses and Tom Petty, this movie. Other Chris: And I guess the only people are, like, family members. Travis: Yeah. So was. Was Tom Petty supposed to be, like, the Powhatan analog? Because he had, like, the cool city up in the hills or whatever. Bridge City. Other Chris: I. I feel like. I feel like he was supposed to be kind of that character a little bit, but, like, I don't know. Yeah, they. They also had Vietnam vet guy that was like a little bit of a. Like, stand in for that, too. Travis: Yeah. Other Chris: Like, they, you know, split them up, changed things or whatever. Travis: Yeah. Again, they refused to read the book, so. Yeah, it was fine. Other Chris: True. Travis: Yeah. Also in that whole, like, climactic scene, he's like, uh, you know, I. I like, Indian, uh, wrestled you and, like, the guy shot you or whatever. And so now my new law is everyone chill the out. And they're like, all right. Other Chris: Yeah. Travis: They just listen like, okay, fair play. Danielle: They just needed a leader. Other Chris: Yeah. I mean, all they really want to do is watch the Sound of Music. That's it, you know? Travis: Yeah. Danielle: That's like. Other Chris: As long as they can do that, like, maybe. Maybe they don't need to go around murdering people. Travis: Yeah. The whole army was actually cinephiles and that really loved musicals. Danielle: Mhm. Travis: Yeah, that's all he needed to do. He said Broadway was back up and running. Other Chris: You know, kind of. Kind of missing the point of, like, uh, you know, all of these dudes were like, Alex Jones listeners. Travis: Yeah. Other Chris: Like, before the shit happened. Travis: Right, right. Other Chris: Like, yeah, you're, you're. You're not like, changing the mind of an ideologue so easily. Travis: Yeah. You know, I don't think one guy doing, like, a wrestling match, like, okay, yeah, let's throw our guns down and go home. Yeah, it's fine. Other Chris: Let's all listen to the guy who's, like, more powerful now. Travis: Yeah. And he says, don't listen to me anymore. Other Chris: Yeah. Travis: I also liked, at the very end, they're like, here's. Here's my dad's, like, memorial gravesite or whatever. And it's him delivering the mail, not him toppling the insurrectionist army that was destroying America. Other Chris: That's not important. Travis: But he did pick up the mail one time. Chris: Travis. They didn't unite the country based on that. They united the country again based on mail. Travis: I guess, but I mean that, you. Other Chris: Know, you have to think that, like, that wasn't the last. Travis: Yes. Other Chris: Militia leader that he took out. Chris: Correct. Other Chris: Maybe they can't just build a statue of him, like, killing every militia standing. Chris: On the skulls of his enemies. Travis: That would have been awesome. Chris: But that's not the society they created. Travis: They built a, uh, throne for him at the coastline. Like, he conquered from sea to sea and then wept because there was no one left to conquer. Chris: He rebuilt America. That's what he did. Being a mailman. Travis: Yes. What? St Rose was unnecessarily long, I think. Yeah. If, if they had kept more. I don't know. But like, what it Other Chris: I like that. Everyone, uh, showed up to that on their yachts. Chris: Right. Travis: Right. Other Chris: It's like, that's how you know there's been progress. Travis: Yeah. Everyone's. Other Chris: Well, I'm like, everyone's yachting. Chris: Where, like, did it turn out that, like, the rest of the world wasn't nearly as up? It was just America? And they were like, kind of quarantining America because they started the war or something. Travis: No. Like, 30 years later. Other Chris: That would be pretty funny. And I wouldn't be surprised. Chris: Yeah. Other Chris: Like, America collapsed, but the rest of the world is actually fine. Chris: Yeah. Let them fly over there. So nobody knows. Other Chris: They got. They got drones and they're like just watching reality tv, like, like, like, let's watch America fall apart real time. Travis: It'll be funny. Chris: They just fly over Canada and Mexico to go over North America. So no, Americans see a plane. Travis: Everyone goes around them. Chris: Yeah. Travis: What. What the hell was the, like, M. Other Chris: M Night Shyamalan twist? Chris: I know, right? Travis: They're actually on a camping reserve the whole time. Yeah, yeah. Being walled off. Other Chris: Yeah, yeah. Travis: Damn. Other Chris: They just, they just filmed the whole thing at Sundance or whatever. Travis: What was the deal with St Rose anyway? I completely missed any justification. Chris: Didn't he say that was supposed to be the place where there was all nice and place to go? Other Chris: Yeah, I feel like the, the Saint Rose was kind of like the El Dorado. Chris: Yeah. Other Chris: Like the, you know, the, um, uh. What's Shangri La? Yeah, you know, or, uh, one of those. Right. Like it is a fictional place that people dream about going. Travis: Yeah. Other Chris: Because their world is shitty. Chris: Yeah. Other Chris: Yeah. I don't, I don't think St. Rose was like a real place. Chris: They all heard it was falling into the war. Travis: They made it real. Uh, they made it real. Chris: Uh. Travis: God damn it. Other Chris: Yes. Travis: His daughter named Hope. Chris: Yeah. Travis: Which I thought was going to be named Rose instead, but no. Other Chris: Yeah. Travis: That would have been more satisfying for me. I don't know. Other Chris: Yeah, no, no, you're too smart for this movie. Travis: I don't know, man. I don't know. Uh, but yeah, you could have cut two hours out of this movie. I don't know. Like, you could have gotten this done way more efficiently. Danielle: It was unnecessarily long. Other Chris: Yeah. I, you know, like, like, uh, for the ideas that it had in it, like, it did not need to be this long. Chris: Right. Other Chris: If, if they had kept more. Travis: Yeah. Other Chris: Or if they had like, chosen to do things differently or like, I don't know, if they had like, uh, three dimensional characters, maybe. Yeah, maybe it would have been worth three hours. But like, what it had in it does not, uh, does not justify a three hour runtime for sure. Danielle: Watch this movie to the end so that you really get it Travis: Yeah, yeah. Like exploring the whole thing with the Cyclops and like. Oh yeah. It's either a government of tyranny or manipulation. Like, which one are we going to choose? Like, is there a third path? Like. Mhm. That might have been interesting. Like, but no. Other Chris: Right. Travis: Nope. Just post is great. America is great. Other Chris: Yeah. Travis: If America ever collapsed, we need it back. Danielle: Right. Other Chris: I feel like, uh, I feel like that whole thing was just like a little bit too, like old school sci fi for them to like, uh, this is the 90s. We can't have like, right. You know, weird artificial intelligent supercomputer. Travis: Like that'll never happen. Other Chris: Nobody, nobody would buy that shit. Like, like. Yeah, yeah. I, I do think it would be funny if they remade that now and it was like, oh, it's Chat GPT. Yeah, we got. Chris: Yeah. Other Chris: GPT over here like telling us where to dig wells. Chris: Yeah. Travis: Did we talk about what we were talking about? Cyclops, uh, the Amazon technology. AI technology that turned out to just be offshore. People like looking at video of what you put in your cart and be like, oh, they put in the milk. Okay. Charge them for milk. Oh, they put in this. Put it. I feel like they could do that storyline now. Yeah. It's just a guy back there. It's Chat GPT. That's just Chris. All the AI bots talk to other Chris. He responds back. It's just one guy. Other Chris: Mhm. Travis: Oh my God. Hey, what's. Danielle. What? Would you recommend this movie to a friend? Danielle: No. Travis: Even as like a like punishment? Danielle: Ah m. Maybe if I didn't like them. Travis: Like they did something to piss you off. Danielle: Like you gotta watch to the end so that you really get it. Travis: You won't get it unless you watch all three hours. Danielle: Like. Yeah, no, it's just. Other Chris: You'll hate it until the last two minutes. Danielle: Right. Travis: And then once you see that statue. Danielle: Yep. Other Chris: And then, and then, uh. Yeah. Oh my God. Like I feel like whoever you did that to would be so mad at you. Danielle: Yeah. And they would probably deserve it if I. Kevin Costner's. Other Chris: If you don't pay attention to it, it's not going to make sense. So like, you really have to be. Travis: I suggest taking notes because so many things pay off at the end. Danielle: Watch it, watch it with the lights on. Make sure that you're not too cozy. Travis: Memorize these character names too. It's going to be important. Other Chris: Yeah. Travis: If they have them, you know, put. Other Chris: A, put a rubber band on your wrist and snap it every few minutes. Danielle: If you don't catch his name, you're gonna have to start over from the beginning because you missed it. Travis: If you missed his name, it's not gonna make sense. Danielle: Start it again. Travis: I love it. You recommend this to all your friends too? Chris says, I mean, you know, if. If you happen to be. But if you Danielle: Yeah. Travis: What do you think? Chris's. You recommend this to all your friends too? Chris says, I mean, you know, if. Chris: You'Re doing a Kevin Costner thon, you have to watch it first of all. Travis: Why? Other Chris: Oh man. Chris: Right. But if you are. But it's got to be in there. Travis: If you happen to be. Other Chris: Uh. I. I'm waiting for the, uh, you know, the um, the movie Marathon where they do the extended cuts of all the costumes. Travis: God damn it. Chris: Right. Other Chris: And so wait, there's longer ones. Oh, I'm sure. Yeah. I was gonna have to go back and do like the director's cut where they're four hours instead of three hours. And then we'll release those to the theater. Like, you know, I wonder, maybe the, maybe the four hour director's cut makes more sense. Travis: Maybe. So maybe Abby does something at all. Other Chris: Oh my God, she should have just. Travis: Be there and be shrill and pregnant. Other Chris: Maybe that's where all the other female. Travis: Characters went on the cutting room floor. Other Chris: Yeah, the cutting room floor in the four hour version of the movie. Travis: Yep. Chris: Yeah. Travis: Costner's like, I need more shots of me in uniform. This is what they're paying to see. Danielle: That's right. Travis: Yeah. No, uh, I mean, like we said at the top, like it was a movie. Mhm. And if I'd never read this book, it would have been fine. But as it was, I was constantly angry. Danielle: I don't know. Fine is pretty generous for a random. Travis: Movie from the 70s. Other Chris: It is. Travis: Yeah. Other Chris: It is a passing movie. Yeah. Like. Like there was a story and it did make sense and you could follow it. Travis: Right. Other Chris: Like whether you wanted to is different marks of a movie with a. A passing grade. Like, you know, it's. It's like, like, oh, congratulations. Like you wrote your five paragraph essay and you had a topic sentence. Travis: Yeah. Other Chris: And you had, you know, three supporting paragraphs of your topic and then you had a conclusion. Like you, uh, congratulations, you've. You've passed the assignment. Travis: Yes. Other Chris: Like that's what this movie was. Travis: Yes. And they spent a billion dollars on it. Other Chris: M. Exactly. Travis: To get passing out of it. Other Chris: Yep. Travis: Yep. It's unfortunate they spent so much money on costumes. I gotta think. And horses. Chris: Yeah. Danielle: They kept ripping them up. Travis: Costumes and emergency. Yep. Uh, any final thoughts? Danielle: Ah, no. Chris: It's a movie. Travis: If you had to add a second female character, what would they have done in this movie? Danielle: Um, you know what? I. I don't really wish that on any other females to have. To have to participate in this, so. Travis: Okay. Danielle: I'm going to decline. Other Chris: I guess. Travis: There was that one lady postman. Other Chris: Yeah. Danielle: Oh, yeah. The younger one. Travis: The one and the blind lady. But you know. Chris: Yeah. Travis: They didn't talk to each other really, so I don't know if it passed the Bechdel test. I don't think it did anything. Chris: Danielle says 2001 is worse than 2000. She stands by it. Danielle, I think you're wrong on that Chris has any other final thoughts? Chris: Now you can say you've seen it. Danielle: Yeah. Travis: Yeah. Wear that like a battle scar. Danielle: Um, it's still not the worst one you've made me watch. Travis: Really? You still think 2001 is worse? Danielle: 2001 is the worst movie ever compared to this, yes. Other Chris: Oh, my God, no. Chris: 2001 is an artistic masterpiece. Danielle: I hated it. Travis: Every time we have to relate the AFI list. Chris: Danielle, I think you're wrong on that. But that's okay. You don't have to like it. Other Chris: You should let Kevin Costner know. I'm sure he would appreciate it. Danielle: Yeah, I would rather watch this than. Chris: Like, what's tweet at him right now. Other Chris: One of the top 10 movies of all time. And you think this one is better? Chris: Yep. Other Chris: This. This passing grade movie you think is better than 2000? Danielle: Yeah, 2001 is horrible. Travis: Agree to tell you what. Other Chris: Greatest movies of all time. Danielle: By who? Travis: Who? Chris: Everybody. Danielle: I've never heard of one person that I know talk about the people who. Chris: Decide such things for film. Other Chris: I'm talking about, like, everybody. Sight and Sound Film list, which is a list of, like, the top, uh, critics and movie professionals. Danielle: A bunch of boomers that are dying now. I don't care what they think. Other Chris: Younger. Younger people, too. We're voting on these things. But, like, like. Danielle: It'S not gonna work, Chris. It's never gonna happen. Other Chris: No, no, what. What you're saying is like, oh, here's. Here's the Mona Lisa, and here's a copy of MAD magazine. You know what? I. I kind of like the MAD magazine magazine better than the Mona Lisa. I kind of. I kind of like this, like. I don't know, like. Like this, uh. Like, Like a Midwestern dude made a painting of a cow in his backyard, and you're like, I, uh, mean, I don't know. It wasn't a bad painting. It definitely wasn't as bad as the Mona Lisa. Like, you know, that's what I'm hearing right now. Danielle: I guess that's it. Travis: She stands by it. Stands by it. Oh, my God. Uh, we need to. Other Chris: I curse you to live in Texas. That's your punishment. You live in Texas. Danielle: Someday you're gonna find a movie I hate worse than it. But it hasn't happened yet. Has not happened. Chris: I feel like we should. We should do that for you. Travis: That's been the goal ever since. Danielle: It hasn't worked. Travis: We've been chasing that dragon since the first time. Other Chris: Okay. I'm, um. Like, I'm gonna renew my effort in this. We're gonna find a movie that you hate even more. Danielle: Well, sometimes there's, like, funny things that happen. We're Watching this, and they're doing that stuff, and I'm like, isn't there a lion loose? And then, like, the next second, the lion jumps out and gets it, like, yep, there it is. Other Chris: All right. Travis: Yep. Oh, my God. Other Chris: So 2001 needed a lot. Danielle: 2001, terrible. Travis: We're gonna need to get mauled by a lion. We're gonna get a bunch of edibles, and we're gonna rewatch 2000. 2001. Danielle: No. Travis: You're gonna change your mind about it. Danielle: We're watching that again. If someone is like, you can either. Travis: Yeah. Danielle: You will either die or a horrible, awful death or you have to watch this video. Like, I guess I'm dying because I'm not watching that again. Travis: This is her version of the apocalypse. Wow. Danielle: I'm not watching Sharknado. I am not watching it. Even if it means losing your electricity Chris: Thanks, Danielle. Danielle: I just want to put out if. Travis: You got captured by those wholeness, I want everyone to. They're gonna put on 2001 or Universal Soldier. And she's like, bring on Universal Soldier. Danielle: Yep. I don't know what that is, but let's watch that instead. Travis: Watch Sharknado instead. Chris: Yeah. Oh, my God. Travis: Um. Geez. Chris: Got sharks. Other Chris: I'd rather buy these random pieces of cloth red in this tub than watch 2001 the Space Odyssey. Travis: I'd rather stare blankly at the wall for three hours. Chris: Even if it means losing your electricity, Danielle, you still wouldn't watch it. Danielle: I don't want to watch that shit. I hate it. Travis: Both of your children are being dangled over a pit. All right, watch 2001 or watch them die. Danielle: Uh, I'll go with them if I have to watch. I am not watching it. Travis: Yep. Okay. Other Chris: Fair. Danielle: I hate it. Travis: That's commitment, right? Danielle: So much. Chris: Yep. Travis: So she's not committed. Chris: Yep. Travis: Hey, Danielle. Chris: Yeah? Travis: Do you have anything else that's good? Danielle: So I did last weekend watch a movie on Netflix that you should also watch. Travis: That is not. Are we talking about the shark movie? Danielle: But also good. Travis: Oh, God. Chris: Okay. Danielle: It's called Under Paris. You should watch it. Chris: Oh, God. The sharks in the same movie? Oh, my God. Danielle: Please watch it. Travis: Sharks in the Catacombs. Danielle: I watched it with the, like, English dubbed over. I guess it's supposed to be in French. Yeah, that would make sense, being under Paris. But the one on Netflix, when I hit play, it played the one with them. Chris: It defaulted to the English, and, like, wow. Danielle: Like, y'all need to watch it. Chris: It. Danielle: It's something special. Travis: Yeah. Take your edibles and then watch it. Other Chris: All right. Danielle: I, like. Travis: I was. Danielle: I was for the ending. Travis: I didn't He. I didn't Watch this movie. But I did hear about the movie, and every minute that you described something that happened felt like a full movie to me. Danielle: And I showed him one part. Travis: It's all the same movie. Danielle: And I showed him one part. And, man, the CGI guys just spot on. Travis: Didn't you tell me at one point they blow up the catacombs or something? Like that's one of the things they're trying to do to stop the sharks. Danielle: Yeah, you guys gotta watch. Travis: Okay. Danielle: There's like. There's just. Travis: But Paris is fine. Like, literally all the catacombs get blown up. But Paris is fine. Other Chris: They blow up the catacombs. But Paris is fine. Danielle: Paris is fine. Travis: I guess they don't know where the catacombs are, right? Yeah, yeah. Danielle: Please, please watch it. Travis: What's it called again? Danielle: Under Paris. Travis: Under Paris. Um, not the porn. The Netflix movie with sharks. Chris: That's right. Other Chris: Yes. Okay. Danielle: Everyone's like, this is the greatest shark movie since Jaws. And I'm gonna say no, but everyone says, watch it. Well, that's what. That's what they keep, like, putting under. Shark movie ripped off every movie with their shark movie Travis: Like, they're once again, like, here's the Mona Lisa and here's Under Paris. We like this one better. Danielle: Yeah, it was like. Like there was so much that happened in it, though. Like. Yes, you should pay attention because lots of things they tried to do all the things in this movie. Travis: They ripped off every movie with their shark movie. Danielle: Yes. Chris: Yep. Other Chris: Is it. Is it? Is it? Danielle: And it's like an hour and 47 minutes. It's not even long, so. Travis: My God, this movie could have taken a lesson. Danielle: Yeah. Travis: From Under Paris. Danielle: And they had. They did a lot more than the Postman did for sure. Other Chris: A much more efficient movie. Travis: Yes. Danielle: We move. We moved right along. Travis: We got a steady clip. Danielle: Yeah, please watch it. Travis: It had to. Yeah, they didn't have time. Danielle: Yeah, please watch it, Jesus. Please appreciate it with me. You will just. You'll love it. Travis: Yeah. People are pissed about Bridgerton 3 because they veer off of books You didn't watch Bridgerton 3 yet? Danielle: No, I haven't watched, uh. Travis: Did you see Boobies? Chris: Yes. Danielle: People are sort of pissed about Bridgerton 3 because they're like, veer and off of the books quite a bit. Chris: Well, they are, but I didn't read them. Danielle: And, like, with main characters, like, they're. They're changing, uh, the sex of their partners, and, like, it's really pissing people of the book off. Chris: How is it? Okay. I don't know you. Danielle: I mean, you don't know because you haven't read the books, but I've. Yeah, some of The. I was gonna say comments. And, uh, yeah, there's. There's. There's other characters that aren't the main characters in this that are starting their storyline. And, uh, the stuff that they're doing, it's like they're switching her male love interest to a woman and people are pissed about it. Travis: Well, uh, people can get over that, I guess. Danielle: But that's gonna totally change the whole story again, like, just make your own. Make your. Make your own show. Like, you don't have to use these books if you're not gonna follow these books. Don't make it. "Grey's Anatomy " is reportedly on its way to being canceled Travis: Well, they had to do something different for this season because they already spoiled this season in, like, the first season. Danielle: Yeah, it shouldn't have been this season. Should have been Benedict season. Travis: Yeah. No one cares about Benedict, though. Chris: M. Unfortunately, in the show world, that's true. Travis: Yeah. Forget him. Other Chris: Yeah. Travis: He's just gonna go to art school or whatever. Danielle: And I'm, um. Uh, yeah, so I'm not. I'm not all that interested. Travis: I haven't watched it yet, but, like. Danielle: After the first season, I feel like they stayed kind of close to the book. And then the second season, they totally, like, took a left turn and, like, did all kinds of crazy different things. And, like, it just seems like they're gonna. Yeah, they're gonna keep following. Following that path. Travis: Yeah. Once again, Chandra Rhimes is like, I got it. Like, I read the first book. It's fine. Other Chris: I mean, it's like, as long as they can, like, keep selling, like, wine. Travis: Yeah. Other Chris: The name on it. Like, I think they're gonna be okay. Danielle: I don't know. There's petitions all out there now to, like, switch stuff back before we get to these stories. Like, I don't know. I think they're about to lose a bunch of viewers. Chris: Switched up bags. Other Chris: Nah, I think it's a. I think it's a loud, angry minority. Danielle: It's on its way to being canceled. I'm sure they're not gonna get. Chris: Well, I mean, I don't know. It does pretty popular. Travis: Yeah, pretty. Other Chris: Like, like signed a big deal with Chandra. Popularity doesn't like. Honestly, I would say if it's less popular, it's more likely to continue on Netflix. Yeah, probably true. Danielle: I haven't watched it though, so I. I can't really say for sure. Travis: The second half is out now, so we can watch the whole season. Danielle: I know we can watch it all, but again, like. Like, I don't know, like, that Colin guy just seems like a baby to me. I'm not really interested in watching him as the lead, but I hear it doesn't even really focus on them all that much. There's all the side stories, so. Travis: Yeah, well, the first book was my favorite so far because none of the other ones have had jizzing on sheets as, like, a plot point, so that. Danielle: Book was the worst. But that was the best season so far, M. Because they stayed pretty true to the book. Travis: Yeah. Danielle: Shonda Rhimes is just turning into, like, Ryan Murphy doing all the extremes. She's like, how can I stretch this. Travis: To the limit to very serious accusation you just leveled at Chandra Rhimes here. Danielle: Yeah. And I stand by it. Travis: Okay. Other Chris: We're making enemies. Travis: Oh, my God. We can't afford to make enemies of Sean. Other Chris: Powerful enemies. Travis: Shonda land. Other Chris: Yeah. Travis: Quickly. Move on. Chris: I did apply for my job that I've had this year Yes, Chris, do you have anything else that's good? Chris: M. No, just busy. I get this week off, and then I gotta start my teacher, uh, residency classes. Travis: Nice. Chris: So good. Travis: For reals? Chris: For reals, yeah. Learning lots of stuff. Travis: Yeah. Danielle: Do you get paid to do that? Chris: No, not the summer, unfortunately. Danielle: Ugh. Travis: Come on now. Danielle: I wanted you to be paid to do those things. Chris: I will be later, but that would have been nice. But they don't have money for that, so. Plus, I'm not technically a teacher of record yet, so. M. That's some of it. Travis: But you're working on it. Chris: Yeah. I did apply for my job that I've had this year, so hopefully. I keep trying to enlist people at my school to be on my side and be like, you know what? We don't care if anybody else applies. We're just gonna hire them. Travis: Yeah. Just go for it, you know? Chris: But, uh, we'll see. Travis: You're a known quantity. Chris: That's what I figure. And I'll have even more skills next year, so I'd be even better. Travis: Yeah. Danielle: Yes. You got it. You got it. Travis: The kids recognize you and stuff? Chris: They do. Like, half the school recognizes you. Travis: There's Mr. Ham. Yeah, I know him. He teaches me about learning. Chris: Exactly. Travis: And words. And he hates tick tock. Chris: No tick tocks in my room. I take your phone. Take, um. Other Chris: It. Embrace the tick tock. Travis: No. Other Chris: Make sure they're watching your tiktoks. Travis: Yes. Make your own tick tocks about your lesson plan. Just do a fun dance in the middle. Other Chris: I mean, like. Like, that would be pretty great if. Chris: The kids already follow some teachers. Other Chris: And then. And then they got to yours, and it was like, hey, what the fuck are you doing? Travis: Supposed to be listening to me talking right now in real life, I should do that. Chris: Uh, that's what I should do. That's how I watch. I have a couple teachers I follow on Instagram where it's. It gets their tick tocks on there. Travis: Yeah. Chris: Who do that. And they're like, yeah, I stay after school all the time for a few hours to make my tick tocks. My admins are cool with that. Other Chris: Like, like I, I saw a teacher tick tock where they were just talking about how, um, like insults from eighth graders are vicious. Travis: Yes. Other Chris: And it was, it was just a teacher reading. Like, these are actual things that my students have said to me. And I'm like, man, like, that's brutal. Like these kids. But at the same time, like, honestly, like, very clever. So, you know, could go either way for me. Travis: Yeah. I like your idea of scroll stoppers as the account. Like, you shouldn't be scrolling. You're supposed to be paying attention to class and then give them the teacher look like, right. Mhm. Other Chris: Come here for a second. Travis: I want to see you after class. Other Chris: Put it down. Travis: Yeah, Yep. Chris: Just put it down like, you know what, just go ahead and go put it on my desk. Other Chris: I'll know what you're doing if you're. Travis: Seeing this right now. Come give me your phone. Chris: Yeah. Travis: This is your, this is your son. I like it. Go for it. Chris: Yeah. And the next one is just me going. Travis: Right there. Get out in the hall. Yep. No one wants to hear that. So take it outside Right on the desk. Chris: Yep. Like, or yeah. Other Chris: Get out in the hall. Travis: Get out in the hall. So take it outside. No one wants to hear that. Nice. The school district voted to change the schedule for summer courses this year Well, how long does the residency thing last? Chris: Uh, summer courses go till July 24 and then teachers go back to school on August 1. Travis: That seems really soon. Chris: It is. We shifted our schedule this year. Travis: Boo. Chris: At our welcome event for the residency program. They told us like, yeah, like last year, the first year's cohort, they had it for five weeks and they told us that was a little fast. So we were planning to make it a six week course this summer. This year to make it a little better. And then we got the news that the school district voted to change the schedule. So now you have four and a half weeks. Oh, like, okay. Thanks a lot. Other Chris: Smart. Chris: Yeah. So because they're like, we're going to shift the schedule this year, we're going to start two weeks earlier. Then we can end two weeks earlier. So we're not ending in like mid June. And I'm like, yeah. Why? I liked ending in mid June. It's not like I had to go back the beginning of August. Await this Year. Like, I didn't have to go back to the middle of August. It was fine. Travis: You don't want to go back to school while it's still hot? Chris: No. It's gonna be. It's gonna be weird to be in school on my mom's birthday. Travis: Yeah. Chris: Because her birthday is August 15th, and the kids start on August 12th. Uh, like, it's gonna be weird doing school then because I never had to do school on my mom's. Danielle: God, you got out so early to be starting on August 12th, right? Other Chris: Yeah. Chris: Because they're shifting the schedules. The only way to do it. Travis: Yeah. Chris: Next year we'll get out before Memorial Day, so. Danielle: Yeah, well, I mean, we did do that. That where we got a shorter summer, but, like, not as short as you guys are getting. Chris: Yeah. Getting, like, no summer, basically. Travis: Boo. Chris: So everyone's like, where are you going? I'm like, nowhere. Like, I gotta go to school this summer, so I have no summer. Travis: Yeah. Chris: Like, I get, like. I got Thursday and Friday last week, and I get this week. Travis: Yeah. Chris: Um, and that's it. Because next Monday I'm in class eight to four. Monday through Friday. Travis: Bleh. Chris: So learning. But I already got my notebook for school. Travis: Oh, good. Chris: They gave us our books. Made my books at, uh, the welcome things. I already paid them. So I got my books then. Yeah, I'm, um, supposed to be. I have homework. I'm supposed to be working on that shit. My, uh, modules for before we start, which I've only done maybe 40 minutes out of the six hours, but I have, so. Well, that's gonna be the way it is the whole time. Through the fall is a module every week. It's about five, six hours. Travis: Right. Chris: And then we'll have a class weekly on Thursday nights. So nice for the fall. And then in the spring, they're not sure this year. They did it every other week. They said they might do it every week, but people finish in the spring at different paces. Because that's getting all your crap together for the EDTPA portfolio. Travis: Right. Chris: Because in this state, you can't just, like, teach for a bit and pass a test. You also have to make this whole big, long portfolio that has you shows. You have to record yourself teaching for, like, a class and all this other shit. Submit all this. Like, here's all the lessons I made all this other crap. I'm like, can you not just give people a license? Jesus. Travis: Like, come on. Chris: You have a massive teacher shortage, but you got to make it super difficult. Like, Jesus. I, uh, pass the PRAXIS exam. Why do I need to give you all a freaking 20 year long portfolio? Travis: They want you to have already been teaching for five years before you can teach, apparently. Other Chris: Basically. Chris: Yeah. Well, lucky for them, I've already been doing it for like two years. So yeah, there's that. But I'm still like, this is unnecessary, unnecessary, unnecessary burden. Like, you pass that exam, you're fine now. All kids are capable, all kids are motivated, Billy says Travis: There's a cat. Chris: Cat. Danielle: I stole her. Other Chris: Found one. Chris: So that's what I'm gonna be doing a lot of reading on. Edumacating. Travis: Yep. Chris: Learning of them kids and believing that kids, all kids are capable. So things like that. Other Chris: Yeah, yeah. Travis: In general that's true. Other Chris: It's kind of important. Yeah, yeah. But and if they're. It's kind of not their fault. Chris: So it's not that those kids aren't capable, they just choose not to do so. That is different. Travis: Yes. Capable and motivated are different. Chris: Yeah, they're the I'm gonna find out the hard way kids. I'm like, okay, that's fine. See, I'm not gonna sit here and go, oh little Billy, you really need to do it this way because it's better for you. I'm like, okay, you want to do it, don't do it. You can fail. Yeah, even though I can't actually fail. Other Chris: You find out the hard way. Chris: And yeah. Other Chris: Just ended up never finding out. Oh, you can make it work. I got really lucky and like failed up through life. Chris: So that's kind of our thing. Like at first I was like, what do you mean? If they fail the class, pass the practice, they can go to eighth grade. They're like, well look at this way. Like if they pass the uh, not the practice, they pass the EOGs. Then they learned the content well enough. Travis: Yeah. Other Chris: Mhm. Chris: Like, or they know how to take. Travis: A multiple choice test. Chris: It's like, or that. But hey, that's on them. Travis: It's a secret to my success. Chris: Maybe they'll succeed the whole time. Travis: I don't know. Talk me eight season. Chris: I'm like, you know what? Okay, that makes sense. I guess even though they didn't do any work and like didn't come to half the classes, they can still pass. Be proficient on the test that uh, we can't give them any extra points on. Travis: Yeah. Chris: You know, I guess they're okay. Other Chris: So yeah. Travis: Prove themselves just as well as someone who went to class and got the same score. Chris: Yeah, yeah, like on that. In that way. I guess that's okay. But the other was shit. I'm like, I don't know what's gonna happen. I keep telling kids, I don't know. Some of you might be in seventh grade again next year. We'll see. Especially those of you who didn't get proficiency on your EOG and then got a, you know, 50 in my class. I don't know. Yeah, but other kids are like, am I gonna repeat? I'm like, really? It's. We're gonna probably a case by case basis. They look at your grades, look at your teacher reports, and also that stuff. Um, if you were complete, you know, asshole didn't come to school. Yeah. You're not going to repeat. But, like, if you were here most of the time and, like, tried. Yeah, you know, I'm like, it's up in the air. You'll probably get passed. Travis: It'll try it on purpose. Weird. Chris: Like, if you tried, then you'll be fine. But if you did, and I'm, um, not gonna. I'm gonna not recommend you go. So have fun in seventh grade again. That's my whole thing this year. I'm like, you didn't like it this time around. You're gonna love it the next time around. Other Chris: Oh, yeah. You get to hear all this again. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Travis: And this time I'm gonna have my TikTok account and you have to put. Chris: Down your phone. Other Chris: Or. Travis: Uh-huh. Get out. Chris: Yep. I'll call for you. Actually, more than like, I'm gonna call an administrator and they can come get your phone. You can give your phone to Mr. James or call for administrator to take it Travis: Yeah. Chris: Mr. James. Travis: Smash it. Chris: Do that. No, they just take it for the whole. Travis: Smash it right in front of you. Like, Gallagher. Other Chris: I would love to. Chris: Then their parents would get mad at me for breaking expensive phone. And I can understand that. Other Chris: Yeah. Chris: Uh, but I like the whole, like. So, guys. So I can take it for class. Travis: Yeah. Chris: Or I can call for administrator to come take your phone. Mr. James will take it the rest of the day. Travis: Yeah. Chris: And if that's happened before already, your parents have to come get it from the office. You can't take it home. Travis: Yeah. Chris: So, um, your choice. And I walk away and I just give him your phone. She's here. Like, good choice. And I'm gonna take my box and. Travis: I'm gonna look up stuff on TikTok you're not interested in. So I ruin your algorithm. Chris: Right. I should do that. Like, unlock it. Pull up your tick tock. I'm looking at history videos. Travis: My whole. For your pages. Ancient coins now. Chris: Yep. Other Chris: Yep. Chris: That would be the worst punishment ever. Travis: Yeah, I like it. Oh, my God. Chris: Stellar Blade is my second favorite game on PlayStation Hey, hey, other Chris, do you have something else that's good? Other Chris: Oh man. Um, so I played a little bit of this game called, um, Stellar Blade. Oh, yeah, um, I've quite enjoyed that, uh, on the PlayStation. Um, I will say that it's, uh, maybe my second favorite game about sexy chick with a sword who like, comes down from orbit to save Earth from an existential threat. Travis: But um, it's among the top two though. Other Chris: It's. Yeah, no, it's the second best one of those. Uh, but uh, it's very good. I enjoy it. Travis: Yeah, I've seen ads for that, but I haven't really dug into it yet because it seems like the kind of game that would take up a lot of my time. Other Chris: Yeah, I mean, you know, if you like, uh, tech trees and fighting stuff. Travis: Yeah. Other Chris: Like. Travis: Yeah. Other Chris: And looking at butts. Travis: I mean, you know, these are all things I enjoy. Other Chris: Yeah, no, it's. It's very worthwhile if you enjoy those things. Travis: Yeah. Nice. Stellar Blade. Other Chris: And also collecting costumes, uh, or foresaid. Travis: But for said butts. Yeah. Other Chris: Yes. Travis: Mhm. Okay. I can dig it. Other Chris: Yeah. Travis: Yeah. So is it like action RPG or. Other Chris: It is, it is, uh, like, yeah. Action sort of fighting. Uh, it's. It's got progression, I guess that makes it a little bit rpg, like and exploration makes it a little bit rpg, like. But it's um. But yeah, it's, it's. It's mostly like in, in the same vein, I guess, action wise as something like a. Maybe like A Devil May Cry or. Yeah, something of along those lines. Travis: Yeah. Like a. Other Chris: What is it like Brawler, Atomic, massive enemies. Travis: Yeah. Other Chris: Nier Automata was the, uh, was the number one. Travis: Yeah. Other Chris: In that genre of sexy chicks coming from space to savor just to spell. Travis: It out for people. Other Chris: Yeah, yeah, yeah. In case you didn't know which other game I was talking about. Yeah. Travis: Right. Nice. That reminds me, I need to go finish that game. Yeah, Yeah, I played through a little bit of it, but you know how I do. Other Chris: Mhm. Travis: If I don't do it all at once, I just don't finish it. So. Other Chris: No, I mean, like, that's. That's kind of how it is for me too. Travis: Yeah. Yeah. Other Chris: So. Travis: Yeah. Cool. Stellar blade only on PlayStation as far as I know. Other Chris: For now. I hear. Travis: For now. At least for now. Yeah. Balatro is a rogue, like, poker game Well, I was also gonna bring up a couple of games that have sucked up a lot of my time. Other Chris: Okay. Travis: So one I told you guys about already in the chat. Uh, Balatro. Other Chris: Mhm. Travis: Which is a rogue, like, poker game. So it's like a deck builder where you play poker. So it's pretty simple basically where you get, you know, a certain number of discards and a certain number of hands. You get eight cards and you try to make your best poker hand and then you get a certain amount of chips, whatever. But you can get all sorts of things that modify either your deck or your cards or give you bonuses for what cards you play. And so all of that stuff is rng based. So it is all about trying to completely break the system till you get into the astronomical amounts of numbers. So yeah, as a numbers go up, game goes, it's really good. Yeah, it's got a very satisfying noise too when you play your card and you get to trigger your bonuses like 19 times. Other Chris: Hell yeah. Travis: And your card is scoring like 6,000 chips times 8,000 multiplier. And the score actually catches on fire as you get up there. Other Chris: So this is, this is my kind of game. I feel like, like when I heard you describe it before and you're, you're the second person to tell me about it, I think. Yeah, but like, like the, the, the way it sounds like it just, it sounds like something that would keep me in front of it for a very long time. Travis: Yeah. It's why I almost didn't finish the book when we were supposed to talk about the book, like. Oh, I was just playing that instead, so. Other Chris: Yeah, yeah. Travis: So like to give you an example, like you can get a certain number of jokers, right? And so a joker will be something like uh, the walkie talkie joker. So if you play a 10 or a 4, you get a bonus, uh, or a queen. And so that every queen that you have that's in your hand and you don't play, you get a bonus. Or the uh, the hack card where if you keep playing the same cards, they'll repeat it over and over again like low value cards. So there's that aspect to it. And then there's like things you can do to your card to give you more multiples or more chips or give you multiples, but you risk breaking your cards and destroying them. Or sometimes your cards will give you money, but only one times out of 20. So you're gambling on the gambling. It's, it's got levels and layers. Other Chris: Mm mhm. Travis: And then you get into things like tarot cards that let you manipulate your deck and um, spectral cards which do even crazier shit. Like our big gambles basically. It's crazy. So it's not unusual to see your score at the end of the game being like in the billions of points. Other Chris: Nice. Travis: So Balatro. But uh, enter carefully if you're the kind of person that gets into these games too much. Yeah, the other one I just finished. Well, I just got to credit roll. I don't think I'm finished with it. Is um, Animal. Well that came out not too long ago. It's a, um, an indie Metroidvania type of game. It's like retro graphics and very Metroid heavy I guess because there's not really any combat. Other Chris: Mhm. Travis: But there's also no dialogue and so they kind of just throw you in and you're like, good luck. So it is a very good example of the game teaching you how to play it without. Other Chris: Yeah. Travis: Forcing you to stop and read. Tutorials still I think really playable even though there's nothing actually telling you what to do. Other Chris: It's an old school kind of game design where it's like after a little bit of messing around, the way that you play it kind of becomes self evident. Travis: Right, exactly. Uh, I think the only text I've even seen in it is there is some tool tips sometimes like push circle till you turn this crank. Like. Okay, got it. So. But it's really cool. And um, not too long. So if you're just uh, playing to get to the credits, probably, I don't know, four hours. But there's a lot more you can dig into afterward. I thought it was really cool because like basically one guy coded the whole thing including the engine, so. Other Chris: Oh, wow. Travis: Really, uh, neat. Animal. Other Chris: Well, it's like, like is there anything in particular about like the, the graphics or like anything? Because typically like, yeah, making, making your own engine is either like an exercise or like totally unnecessary. Um, if, if like I, I guess I'm trying to figure out like was there a reason that making his own engine was necessary or like, like was it. He just felt like it. Travis: This is me guessing at this point, but um, so the graphics are pretty squarely like NES 8 bit type, but there's a lot of atmospheric stuff going on. Like one of the early items you get is a firecracker and so the lighting effects on that are pretty unique. Other Chris: Interesting. Travis: The way some of the animals move around is one of the gameplay mechanics and there's certain uh, atmospheric effects they have to do while you're going through it. So if I had to guess, that's probably why. Other Chris: Okay. Travis: It's to do things like that. So I thought it was pretty satisfying. One of my favorite gimmicks in There is. You get a Frisbee so you can One of my favorite gimmicks in There is. You get a Frisbee so you can throw it in through cracks and hit flip switches. But to get the Frisbee, you steal it from a dog statue. Other Chris: Huh. Travis: And you know, spoiler warning, when you do that, a dog spirit comes and chases you. Other Chris: Oh, geez. Travis: You have to run like hell through the whole world to get to a safe spot, basically. And the path that you take takes you past all the other dogs that are in the game. And so you can, um. Like if you just walk into a room with a dog and you walk up to them, they'll probably bite you and shake you around like a toy and throw you m. But you can throw the Frisbee for them and they'll chase it. So you have to deal with like this ghost dog that's chasing you and all the other dogs that are getting in your way and try to get around them by m distracting them. It's really fun. Other Chris: Interesting. Travis: So anyway, that's all I got. Danielle, what do you think? Animal? Well, yes or no? Danielle: I don't care. Travis: Yeah. Other Chris: Mhm. Travis: She's been looking at her phone for like half of an hour at least. Other Chris: M got it. Travis: She's like, I stopped talking about Bridgerton. I don't care. Danielle: Yeah, I'm watching cat videos. Travis: Okay, all right, well, we can hit stop then. Chris: House of Dragons coming back up tonight. Travis: Uh, I didn't watch the first one. Yeah, stop, stop. Skip this update. Stop. Let us know what book you've been wanting us to cover next episode Okay, that was our session for today, and that was also the end of this season. We do have a couple of things in the hopper for the next couple of months, but homework for next time is to let us know what book you've been wanting us to cover that we just haven't gotten to yet. Hit us up on the socials under RTFB pod or email us at, uh, contacttfbpod.com and make a formal request. These are also the same avatar if you have a bookstore you'd like to see shouted out on a future episode. So drop us a line, won't you? And for that matter, feel free to rate and review us on your podcast listening app of choice. A couple of quick on second thoughts, today I was going to pull up this Shakespeare off between the Postman and General what's His Name to see if I had just completely missed the subtext on my first watch through. But then I was too lazy to try to find it online and I was unwilling to pay another $4 to rent it again. So as a general rule, if there isn't any other evidence available, best to just Assume that other Chris was right. Secondly, I'm almost positive that the Civil War movie that other Chris and I watched in high school was actually Gettysburg, but that didn't have Jonathan Frakes in it, so maybe I just merged it with north and south in my head. Gettysburg, by the way, is was based on the book Killer Angels, which I also read in high school and I thought that was pretty good. So check any or all of these things out if you're so inclined. Today's episode would also have been better if it had featured Kevin Costner's ass and was two hours shorter with thanks to Chris, Chris Hamm, Chris. Other, Chris Jacobson, Danielle, Neither Chris Rowe. It was edited by me, Travis Rowe, and was sponsored by no one in particular. Until next time. Time. Keep fucking reading. Other Chris: Mhm. Travis: Yeah, and I also like. Chris: Hey, get out of here. Travis: Hey, hey, hold on. Um, that's what he said to those wholeness. Get out of here. Chris: No, Harley's in here and she shouldn't be. Travis: Get out of here. Uh, you. Other Chris: Harley, you mother. Danielle: Is Harley a dog or is Harley. Travis: A cat or a motorcycle? Chris: Uh, get the. Travis: Get the. Danielle: Oh, another person. Travis: Get the out. Danielle: I didn't see who Harley was. Travis: What shirt is this shirt? Danielle: Who is Harley? Travis: It was a four legged person. Mhm. Danielle: Was it a dog? Travis: I'm pretty sure Harley is a dog. We'll know in a second. Go. Danielle: Is Harley a dog? Chris: Yes. Danielle: I didn't see Harley, so I didn't know. What? Chris: No, she was over here. She found my. She didn't get to it. But I didn't eat my toast from Zaxby's yet. It's in the container here on the floor. So one cat has found it and I shoot her away. And then Harley found it. And that's how I knew she was here, because I felt her nose on my foot and I look down, I'm like, that's not a cat on the floor. Other Chris: Floor too. Chris: Harley can. Other Chris: Uh, just trying to enjoy my toast.