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Other Chris: You can take the, uh, like, gondola over there or something. Yeah.

Chris: Mhm. Yeah, we're right at the gondola transit for those two resorts. It is. I didn't like it, but I accept its convenience because it scares me, because it just dangles on a line and bounces and, like, I mean, it's, uh.

Other Chris: A really strong line. It's fine.

Chris: Yeah, that's what I had to keep telling myself. But sometimes it didn't feel like it when we were stopped over the lake or like, this open area that they cut into the woods to put it there. And I'm like, this could break.

Travis: Well, anything could mean.

Other Chris: Anything could break.

Chris: Like, I don't think it's going to.

Other Chris: But, like, you know, like, most of the roads you drive on are, like, kind of empty underneath, right?

Chris: Mm hmm. Yeah.

Other Chris: Yeah. Like. Like, all of those could break.

Travis: This might not be a good line of questioning. You know, it. Hello, and welcome back to RTFB. This is Travis. And today, Chris other Chris and I are talking about our brand new book. This time, we're reading the postman by David Brin and its movie counterpart, principally made by Kevin Costner. I know we're excited to get right into it, but first things first. We need to send our shout out to today's bookstore. Buddy segment, name subject to change. Sending love today to Queen Anne Book company in Seattle, who was, in fact, the first bookstore that we ever collaborated with on a giveaway. I remember it as a cool little store in a very pretty part of town with a big selection of books for its footprint. There's a cafe right next door where Chris other Chris and I had good coffee and sandwiches, and the staff was accommodating and cool and. And they even knew what RTFB meant without us having to spell it out. So if you're in the area, make time to check them out. Okay, now onto my conversation with the Chris's, already in progress.

Other Chris: There's Lego.

Travis: There's a unique store.

Chris: There is. I did see the Lego.

Other Chris: Yeah, the uniqlo.

Chris: I looked at the uniqlo. I didn't go in, though. I probably should have, but they were sold kimonos there. Cause they had one in a big, like, display you could see from the door.

Travis: Yeah, yeah. They've got a lot of Kim.

Chris: Like, come buy a kimono. Yeah.

Other Chris: They have the thing with many articles of unique clothing.

Chris: Yes.

Travis: Uh, wait, what?

Chris: Yeah.

Travis: And they have the best undershirts, so I've been told. I'm wearing one right now.

Chris: I should have got one. Oh, well, I missed out then.

Travis: And their underpants are good, too.

Other Chris: Oh, my God.

Chris: Yeah, that's what I hear.

Travis: Probably wearing with those now, too.

Chris: Tag fell off. You don't know.

Travis: I just don't remember which kind of wearing today, but that's fine.

Chris: Yeah, it is.

Other Chris: It is like. It is. It is like the, um. S***, I don't know. Like japanese old Navy.

Travis: Yeah, basically.

Other Chris: Yeah, yeah, m like.

Chris: Like quality, uh, products for an affordable price.

Other Chris: Yeah. And I mean, and I mean, it's. It's also. It's also kind of the joke that, like, you know, if you. If you don't have any fashion sense, you can just go to uniqlo.

Travis: Yeah.

Chris: And then you will. Yeah.

Other Chris: And then you're fine.

Chris: Yeah, right.

Other Chris: But it's also, you know, like. Like, you will be criticized by certain people for having, like, you know, like. Like, oh, uh, you just. You just go to uniqlo and like, just pick up everything, like.

Chris: Yeah, well, they would love my american frump style of jeans and a polo. And I'm doing better than a lot of people. I don't wear f****** pajamas or gym clothes out all the time.

Other Chris: Yeah, that's true. But I mean. I mean, if you. If you upgrade to khakis, then you will be like, standard issue japanese office guy these days, I think.

Chris: Oh, yeah, okay. Yeah, well, I do wear khakis to work, but I don't. I separate those out in my mind unless I have to, like, go to a fancier engagement.

Other Chris: Yeah.

Chris: So my problem is, though, is like, then we'd merge the hulu into. Not my account. And, um, I've had my hulu account for like ten years now, so it's kind of watching. Yeah, I don't know. Everybody uses it, so I have no idea. Yeah, it's just the welder house.

Other Chris: Call their DB admin, like, hey, can I get my s*** rolled into this account?

Chris: Yeah, right.

Travis: I bet they do it.

Chris: Probably.

Travis: If you got.

Other Chris: I mean, if you knew the guy, right, he'd probably be like, sure, whatever.

Travis: Yeah.

Chris: But my thing is, is can I still pay the upgrade fee in the bundle to get no ads and better picture quality type of deal?

Travis: Oh my God.

Chris: Cuz that's what we pay for. Like the no ads hulu. Yeah, so I have to put up with that bullshit.

Travis: I paid for the limited ads. That was enough for me.

Other Chris: Oh, my God. Different ad tiers.

Travis: Uh huh.

Chris: Yes, they do.

Other Chris: God. Uh, can I. Can I. Can I get ridiculous ads? Like, can I.

Travis: Will you pay me $5?

Other Chris: Yeah.

Chris: Can you get ads watch on ads?

Other Chris: No, I want them to, like, background.

Chris: I want them to have a japanese ads tier, and that's all you get because those are awesome.

Other Chris: Oh, man. I. Like, I'm. I'm still getting insane ads from the Internet.

Chris: Mm hmm.

Other Chris: I believe I shared one with you the other day.

Travis: Uh huh. Uh. Uh-huh huh.

Other Chris: Yeah.

Travis: The personal, uh, massager.

Other Chris: Yes.

Chris: Oh, yes.

Other Chris: Triple stimulation.

Travis: Wow. You're gonna be massaged as f*****.

Other Chris: Yeah. In three adjacent areas. You know, the devil's trying, which are, like, completely irrelevant. Like, who do you think I am? Internet. What is going on?

Travis: Is it something you can make into a team sport?

Other Chris: Like.

Chris: Yeah, bring the fun for everyone.

Other Chris: Yeah, no, I mean. I mean, uh, like, I don't know what my Internet activity is, honestly. Like, what is it saying about me?

Travis: Yeah. Yeah.

Chris: Oh, we can't get, uh, p*** sites in North Carolina anymore without a vpN.

Travis: Oh, boy.

Other Chris: Oh, what?

Chris: Yeah, legislature passed a, uh, law last year about the beginning of, uh. I keep forgetting to tell you about.

Other Chris: It because I don't go to Portland.

Chris: So, like, yeah, they passed a law that, uh, they were going to make. Uh, it wasn't to end them, but it was to force the p*** sites to actually verify your age by making you send them a picture of your license or id. Well, your sites were like, hey, we can't guarantee the security of this very personal data, so we're just not going to let you access our stuff.

Other Chris: Yeah.

Chris: So I think that was the secondary effect the right wing legislature here was seeking.

Travis: They never thought about this.

Chris: Like, they didn't want to limit people's liberties on the top of things because that's off brand, even though they don't like p***. Like, hey, for us, this would be the compromise.

Travis: They never.

Chris: You have to show your actual s*** to prove that you're over 21 to be on here. And they figured they'd leave that up to the sites to figure out how to do and thought, hey, maybe they just won't do it too. And that's what happened. So thanks to ISP's, you know, they just block you from being. Access their s***. So there's some guy on the North Carolina who posted the North Carolina subreddit's, like, I'm in South Carolina. Not anywhere near North Carolina's border yet. My s*** says I'm in North Carolina, so I can't look at Pornhub. And I'm like, that's kind of hilarious. It's like, sorry, dude. Everyone's like, get a VPN. Like, if you need a free one, you can get proton VPN. Like, so.

Travis: Uh, yeah, totally.

Chris: Uh.

Other Chris: How. How hard is it to buy a gun, though?

Chris: Not hard at all.

Travis: No.

Other Chris: Yeah, so.

Chris: And you can carry it around. We don't have to have a concealed carry permit.

Other Chris: Okay. Okay. But, like, like, if I go to the meter there, like, they're not gonna have, like, the sweet port section in the bookstore, and I'm not gonna.

Chris: I don't know that if it's physical. Yeah, they might.

Other Chris: Oh, mhm.

Chris: Cuz you. They just. All you have to do is like, can we see your id when you buy it?

Other Chris: Like.

Chris: Like peep places used to do sometimes, so. Yeah, like, they're not gonna bear. That's just like, when I go to Walmart and buy wine or something's like, is this person over 21 or not?

Other Chris: All right, I feel like we need to start some sort of age verification startup.

Chris: Maybe.

Other Chris: There needs to be. There needs to be, like, some kind of age verification fast pass.

Travis: Yeah.

Chris: Can you securely store the data? Chris?

Travis: January 1.

Chris: Nobody can secure and keep hackers from getting it easily.

Other Chris: But. But that is. That is the risk you take for the pornography that you see for free?

Chris: Yes.

Other Chris: Yeah.

Chris: Bring back the old video companies. Just pay them for your copy. Don't have to worry about it.

Other Chris: There you go.

Travis: Um, yeah.

Chris: Yep.

Travis: They talked about doing that.

Chris: I keep forgetting to tell you about that.

Travis: In Texas also. But I think Ted Cruz was like, I'm not doing that. Yeah, that's what we liked. Um, incest p*** on 911 one time and then blamed it on his intern.

Other Chris: Yeah.

Chris: Oh, yeah.

Other Chris: I was gonna say, like, he's like.

Travis: I'm not going through that crap. Yeah, they'll just fly to cancun.

Chris: They'll know it's me. Yeah.

Travis: Oh, man. So, hey.

Other Chris: Oh, man.

Travis: Not that I don't love talking about p***, but, uh.

Other Chris: Uh-huh huh.

Travis: So, uh uh, I was been researching this book, but trying not to get spoiler d on it because I know basically nothing about it. So. Based only on what I think this book is about.

Other Chris: Okay.

Travis: If you could restart just one government function after the apocalypse, m which one would it be?

Chris: Uh, something. Well, something positive that reaches people.

Travis: Uh-huh. Like the mail, the military?

Chris: No, no. Yeah, something like the mail. Like something that links people together. Or I would say you could probably try to do a legislative thing, but I think a lot of little communities would probably be doing that.

Travis: Uh uh-huh huh.

Chris: The ones that aren't, like, you know, the raiders or something.

Travis: Hmm.

Other Chris: So I think. I think there would definitely be somebody, you know, not, not saying who. Uh, but there would definitely be somebody who would go around trying to keep people from having abortions. Oh, like that's the version of the postman that would really happen.

Chris: And then town. You know what, we're putting up walls again and you have to get through the gate and we're not gonna let you through the gate.

Travis: Yeah.

Chris: You know.

Travis: Yeah. I guess offer some trade does make some sense. I guess the government doesn't technically run the Internet, but something that would set up some IsP's would be good.

Chris: Yeah, yeah. But we gotta figure out how to teach people to re access.

Travis: Yeah.

Chris: If you could keep it going, then you can probably still access some of the still functional servers and stuff and find things that we still need.

Other Chris: Yeah.

Chris: There's also a group out there that I liked. There's a page you can go to that's just full of free, like scanned copies of old books and s***.

Travis: Yeah.

Chris: And the idea is to like download it on an old computer that's easy to charge and keep that like in a Faraday cage or something.

Other Chris: Yeah.

Chris: So then you can access all this stuff and all these PDF's and these are books on like agriculture from like 1895 to 1920. So it's realistic s*** that people could find or rebuild and like things. Yeah. And it's all about that. It's got agriculture, basic manufacturing through like blacksmithing, materials and methods, uh, education for s***. So it's got like old primers and s*** to teach kids in school and crap to help basically restart everything.

Other Chris: Yeah.

Chris: I mean, I mean stuff you can actually do. You know, one of like no plastic. No.

Other Chris: Was. Ah, Lucifer's. Ah, hammer.

Travis: Okay.

Other Chris: Um. And it's, it's uh. It's about a comet strike.

Travis: Oh, yeah.

Other Chris: Okay, right. And like I think I mentioned it actually. Like it's a. It's a really interesting one. And I think it would actually make a really good, like tv miniseries.

Travis: Yeah.

Chris: Yeah.

Other Chris: Especially if they did it like, um. Like period appropriate because it was like written in the seventies.

Travis: Oh yeah.

Chris: Oh, nice. Yes, the start of that.

Other Chris: Yeah. And like, like, uh, basically starts with uh. Um, some astronomers identifying this comet. And they're like, oh, it's gonna make a really close pass path past to earth, you know, and then, and then they keep looking at it and they're like, oh, it's gonna be really close.

Chris: And it's like, yeah.

Other Chris: And then they're like, oh, f***, it's actually gonna hit us. And like, uh. Yeah. So it's, it's all about like, uh, following the panic from, like, different characters perspectives and everything.

Travis: Yeah, yeah.

Other Chris: And, like, um, the impact itself, like, how it basically wipes out half the f****** planet.

Travis: Oh, geez.

Chris: Mm hmm.

Other Chris: Yeah, cuz it, like, that. It hits.

Chris: That's a small comment then.

Other Chris: Yeah, yeah. I mean, it don't got to be big. Like, it's m fast.

Chris: Yeah.

Other Chris: But, like, um, one of the. One of the things that happens, like, one of the. One of the characters in California has, like, this, um, I don't know, like, like how s*** works book. Yeah, like, like a book for kids, essentially.

Chris: Yeah.

Other Chris: But, you know, it's like, like the way things work kind of.

Chris: You can use that.

Other Chris: Just wraps it in plastic and, like, throws it in their water cistern and then, like. Like, gets the f*** out of town.

Chris: Like, well, I mean, honestly, that is in the initial days, like, especially compensating. You want to get somewhere you can, like, survive that, whatever's gonna happen.

Travis: Yeah.

Other Chris: Yeah, I know. You want to get. You want to get, like, inland.

Travis: Yeah.

Chris: Yeah.

Other Chris: Because, uh, one of the things they described, right, was, um, there was. There was a dude, uh, there was a dude, I think, who was, like, surfing the f****** tsunami.

Chris: Oh, God.

Other Chris: Like the, like, the mile high wave.

Chris: Yeah.

Other Chris: Like, to go out. He's like, yeah, like, I want to do this once.

Travis: Yeah. I'm never gonna get another chance to do this.

Other Chris: Yeah.

Chris: Survival book for, like, disasters.

Travis: Yeah.

Chris: Like, the good best recommendation when that was get a bike and put solid tires on it.

Other Chris: Yeah.

Chris: Because when s**** out, like, even just after a hurricane or something, when s**** powers out and you can't get gas.

Travis: Yeah.

Chris: You can ride that thing around because it's a bike.

Travis: Yes.

Chris: Easy to repair. And with the solid tires, you don't have to worry about over s***, like. And you can get out of town if you need to quickly. You can do anything because you're on a bike.

Other Chris: I mean, if it's not, you know, minus six degrees even, then, do it.

Chris: Just do it. Bundle up, and you'll burn some energy, create some body heat. Biking.

Other Chris: Yeah, biking. Biking through a foot of snow.

Travis: Oh, man. Yeah, well, no, I could survive.

Chris: Wait for the snow to go down a little bit.

Travis: But because Levi and I just reread the book hatchet, so I'm primed for.

Chris: Oh, nice. I never read hatchet, so. But that was a. It's a classic of childhood. I just never read it.

Travis: Yeah. I for. Had forgotten a lot of the stuff that happens in it, but I did.

Chris: I mean, all of our Boy scout campfire skills are actually still useful, so.

Other Chris: That's true.

Travis: Yeah.

Chris: Yeah.

Travis: I, uh, liked how at the very end of the book, he found that survival pack. It's like there were matches in here the whole time. And like that I could have used to. What, fishing stuff and all this radio thing, whatever. Throw that away.

Chris: Yeah, because he's of the wisdom.

Travis: It didn't seem to work at first, so we just tossed it aside.

Chris: Uh oh, and weather radios for everybody now.

Travis: Yes.

Chris: We need to get another one. Battery operated. Also with a hand crank so bad you could just charge it. They're useful, apparently. I don't know.

Travis: Yep. One of your solar battery things, or like. Yeah, handcraft, whatever. But now, see, I saw Hamilton. Uh, so I'm gonna restart the centralized bank first.

Other Chris: Okay.

Travis: If we can have offer credit to other countries and stuff, then we all be a power player in the new world order, so.

Other Chris: And our credit will be worth.

Travis: So m. I'm gonna go to Chris's house and get whatever coins he's got left over, and we're gonna start a bank.

Chris: That could be the bank's initial collateral.

Other Chris: Yeah.

Travis: Check out this sweet british pound. It's got one of the queens on it. That's pretty cool.

Chris: Be like, it's silver. So $30. Totally work for the apocalypse.

Travis: Yep.

Other Chris: Yeah, man.

Chris: Actually, the people who collect silver, the stackers and stuff, we talk about that and it's called an sh t fi t f scenario where s*** hits the fan.

Travis: Huh.

Chris: Like, what kind of s*** hits the fan scenario you're looking for. And the common consensus is, if everything's so f****** bad, no one's gonna give a s*** about your silver yet that's gonna survive. Like, if you have bullets and you're better off, but make it through that period, and then your silver will be helpful after that, once s*** has stabilized a little bit and found a new pattern, because then you'll be able to use that to trade for goods. And if you're ideal situation is protect against werewolves. Yes. But the more ideal situation is kind of a soft collapse, like m a major banking crisis or something like that. If you're going to use precious metals.

Travis: I see.

Chris: Then society's not gone. It's just harder to, you know, like, it's harder to have value in a national currency, usually because there's like inflation or something like that.

Travis: Yeah.

Chris: So, like, Argentina, like, if we were in Argentina, like, then it's more useful because the value of your currency changes all the time, but the value of the metal doesn't. So, like, it just goes up with the currency. So I could trade in my $30 of silver and get that day is $30 to buy some. Buy some food or something.

Travis: Yes.

Chris: You know, nice.

Travis: Keep 30 pieces of silver in case you need to betray the new leader of the post apocalyptic world.

Chris: No. Not an applicable thing for me. So.

Travis: If you're in an area where an antichrist has arisen, you might want to be able to buy people off. 30 piece. Yeah.

Chris: And betray him. Actually, I think in this day and age, it'd be more effective if you did 30 pieces of gold.

Travis: Oh, yeah.

Chris: Because that will come. The value of that will convince people to betray somebody for some small gain.

Travis: 30 bitcoin guys.

Other Chris: If I were 30. Christ. After this.

Chris: Um. I'm sorry, Chris.

Other Chris: Like, it's not. You're not making good for me.

Chris: How am I gonna know if you're an antichrist or nothing? I'd probably just see you some kind of, like, global tyrant, but then I would be like, but is the tyranny bad or not? I don't know. Yeah, like, he's not the. We know that. Like, because he's not bringing the, uh.

Other Chris: The temple back, but I would be benevolent.

Travis: Yeah, yeah.

Other Chris: And. And, you know, like.

Chris: Like, honestly, I don't think you want to give a s***.

Other Chris: You know?

Chris: I don't think you would give a s*** if people wanted to believe in stuff or not. You wouldn't be trying to convince them to worship you. Uh oh. You're gonna go full North Korea.

Travis: Chris played a full.

Chris: I don't know.

Other Chris: I mean. I mean, if I can. If I can bring the nation back from collapse, I mean, who's to say I'm not? Yeah.

Travis: Seriously.

Other Chris: I mean.

Chris: Well, yeah, that's true.

Other Chris: Maybe they should.

Chris: That's true.

Travis: He restarted p*** up after the apocalypse. He deserves. Yeah, we didn't.

Chris: Maybe Trump's on the id. Uh, right.

Travis: So good.

Other Chris: Yeah, that's right. We got everything we need, right?

Chris: Yeah.

Other Chris: Postal service bank and p*** and jack trucks.

Chris: It. That's amazing.

Other Chris: Trucks for all. Yeah, yeah.

Chris: See, if we did, that might be a cart to start with. That would bring civilization back. People would love us for that.

Travis: I don't think the jack cart would.

Other Chris: Take thinking about, like, the sort of, like, tinker, you know, the dude walking around with this, like, cart full of, like, uh.

Chris: Yeah.

Other Chris: You know, like, pots and pans and, like.

Chris: Except ours would be masturbatory devices that we found in the ashes of civilization.

Travis: Yeah.

Other Chris: Yeah, exactly.

Travis: You'll have cashed in all.

Chris: We brought them back. We cleaned them up. You know we got them for you. Yeah.

Other Chris: This is how, you know, it's like.

Chris: It's like, um, we found some old batteries. Hopefully they still work.

Other Chris: He's like the, you know, the jesuit monk of masturbation, spreading the goal.

Travis: We'll just get some used to do.

Chris: Thinking of apocalypse, uh, stories. I wouldn't mind them making a tv series out of. Is that.

Travis: Yeah.

Chris: Canticle for Leibowitz.

Other Chris: Oh, yeah. Excellent.

Chris: Yeah.

Travis: I've got that in my shelf for a long time.

Chris: I love that book. Thanks to you, Chris. Cuz you told me about it like twelve years ago or eleven years ago. And like one of our book club nights. And I got it and I read. I got from the library and read it. And now I have it as an audiobook too, so never want to hear it again. Loved it. Fantastic story.

Other Chris: Well, I'm glad you loved it.

Travis: Yeah.

Chris: Thanks.

Travis: Good times.

Chris: Yep.

Travis: So, like this one, we got a new book, right?

Chris: We do, huh?

Travis: And this is the first one that we're doing this like, zero idea who this even was. Like, I've never heard of David Brin.

Other Chris: Never.

Travis: Never.

Other Chris: Yeah.

Travis: I've got the one from. That was discarded from Canada.

Other Chris: Right.

Chris: I'm excited about that. Yeah.

Travis: Yeah.

Other Chris: They're like, we don't f****** need it. Our government's not going from, um.

Chris: We know we don't want it anymore. Yep. Yeah.

Other Chris: There.

Travis: Yeah.

Chris: Yes, you have. I've never been to Winnipeg. So.

Travis: As always with these guys, I learned that this guy wrote a whole bunch of stuff.

Chris: I used to have a bunch like I had when I was in the Sci-Fi like, book order book club thing. Forbid. I got I postman. And then I got his bound like collection of his uplift wars or whatever. Yeah, uplift series books. Because that was real popular for a while, too. I didn't get to read those. And then the guy that s*** got destroyed in that storage unit flood. But man. Yeah, he had a lot of stuff. Like, I remember seeing him in the bookshelves a bunch when we were young. Yeah, we were kids and teens and stuff. And now he's like gone. Like, you don't see a s*** anywhere. Like. Like I'm pretty sure as I was looking to get the postman again, it's like, it's like out of print or something right now.

Other Chris: Oh, crazy, right?

Chris: At least as a book, I think you could probably still get. Maybe get the Kindle version or something. I can't remember.

Travis: Yeah.

Other Chris: But so I have to go to look for it.

Travis: Yeah. That's why mine is a discarded library book.

Chris: I got mine from pals propels, Chris. So they probably still have.

Travis: Yeah.

Other Chris: Oh well, okay, well let's f*** off to Portland I guess.

Chris: Well, I mean you can order online. Why not, when you want to go get your book, Chris?

Other Chris: Yeah, I mean, you know, next weekend maybe. I don't know. We'll see.

Chris: Yeah, we'll see.

Travis: Go for it.

Other Chris: F*** off to Portland.

Travis: Yeah.

Other Chris: Just to go to a bookstore and have a coffee store back.

Travis: I can think of worse reasons to go places.

Other Chris: Yeah. Maybe uh, maybe get some wine, you know? Yeah, right. Good wine up there.

Chris: Yeah, right.

Other Chris: Yeah.

Chris: Some salmon. They have good salmon. So.

Travis: Yes, good old Glenn David Brown Brin, who was born uh, October 6 in 1950 and is still with us at 73 years young.

Chris: Good.

Travis: Born in Glendale, California.

Other Chris: Okay.

Travis: And winner of various hugos and nebulas and locusts and Campbell awards.

Other Chris: Yeah.

Chris: Wow.

Travis: Which I had also never heard of a locus or Campbell award.

Other Chris: You never used the other.

Travis: Yeah, my ignorance is on full display with this book is what I'm saying.

Other Chris: Okay.

Travis: Yeah. And you might not, might be surprised to hear that he's known for his hard science fiction.

Other Chris: Yes, he is.

Chris: Yes.

Travis: Which I've learned does not refer to the state of your p**** while you're reading it.

Other Chris: I guess, I mean, I mean it depends on the person I suppose.

Chris: Yeah.

Other Chris: Like.

Chris: Oh yeah, those calibrations, he really gritty and bleak. Oh man, like gritty and bleak.

Travis: Yeah, yeah. But he also has a PhD in astronomy.

Chris: Mhm.

Travis: Really? And has wrote like some four real articles in professional journals like Omni and popular science and stuff.

Chris: Legit, nice. Yeah, very legit.

Travis: He's got a lot of different stuff he's written in the fiction space. So you mentioned the uplift series and high horizon books and eight other standalone novels and short story collections. And he even made an entry into the foundation, uh, universe, which I guess you can do that.

Chris: Oh, uh, they did that a while ago. They did prequels and sequel. Like some more bonus features.

Other Chris: Yeah, yeah, I mean it's, you know it's, it's like official fan fiction or something.

Travis: Right.

Other Chris: You want to think about it that way.

Chris: It's foundations legendary book Asimov wrote himself or set out before he died of, so.

Travis: Right. But yeah, um, I got really excited though when his Wikipedia page says that he designed the game tribes. Oh, which he did, but not true. Not that tribes, he wrote a game, worked on a game card game called tribes, not starseeds tribes. But he did write the story for the echo, the dolphin game that was on Dreamcast. So, uh, what they're like, you wrote about intelligent dolphins that one time in uplift, so. Yeah, right, about this intelligent dolphin.

Chris: Yeah, I had the second echo, the dolphin game on Sega Genesis, but I could never get past the first part.

Travis: That is the echo, the dolphin experience.

Other Chris: Yeah, you started up, what the f*** do I do in this game?

Chris: I just would jump around. S***. Like, I made it into the tunnels one time. Somehow I could never figure out how to do it again. Yeah, and then f****** drowned because I couldn't find enough little air. Yes, shells.

Travis: That's how you play echo the dolphin. Do a bunch of flippies and then you give up after like 20 minutes.

Chris: Yeah, so somebody please make a new echo the dolphin game that you can actually play.

Other Chris: There you go.

Chris: That would be nice. Please.

Other Chris: That'd be fun.

Travis: Get the sonic man guys on that, right? Yeah. Um, also, he's still writing his blog and he updates way more often than we do, so, you know, fair play.

Other Chris: Oh, really? Yeah.

Travis: Uh, we had a blog, so he's available if you want to consult on your business and stuff.

Chris: Oh, nice. I wish our business was big enough. We could get him to consult.

Other Chris: Yeah, yeah, we could get him on the podcast and, um. Yeah, like, f******.

Chris: That would actually boost our numbers.

Travis: I'm gonna, uh. The movie episode.

Other Chris: There you go.

Travis: Be like, why did you let this happen?

Chris: It's like money.

Travis: If you're gonna start a mobile masturbatory service, what?

Chris: How would you do it?

Other Chris: These are the important questions that we have, right?

Chris: Yeah.

Travis: It's totally worth your time, sir.

Chris: M. What's your consulting rate for an hour? Okay, that, uh, we'll pay you half.

Travis: And you come for half of an hour.

Chris: But we can afford half. Yeah, for half an hour. Is that all right?

Travis: Yeah. So the book.

Chris: All right, we'll set it up with your. We'll set it up with your assistant.

Travis: Of the postman as one unit was published in 1985, so it is actually younger than all of us, but originally it was published in two parts, so. Oh, the Postman in 82 and Cyclops in 84. So some of us are younger than some of the parts of this book, so I don't feel old anymore.

Other Chris: Mhm.

Chris: Yeah.

Travis: Yeah. But both parts were nominated for Hugo awards separately, so that's a good sign.

Other Chris: It is, yeah.

Travis: Um, he suggested that he wrote the book as, quote, a rebuke of celebrations of mayhem in the many derivative post apocalyptic fictions that appeared in the wake of Mad Max. So a little bit in the spirit of Octavia Butler here being like, you guys think would be so fun. But just think about it.

Other Chris: It would kind of suck.

Travis: It would kind of be the worst.

Chris: And it goes. Yeah, it goes to my question of what's the point of surviving if you, you don't try to, like, carry on and rebuild?

Travis: Yeah.

Chris: Like, it doesn't mean that the conditions of life at that point will allow you, but you gotta try.

Travis: Yeah.

Chris: You know, that's why I talk about, like, even the zombie apocalypse. Like, what is the point of surviving all of this if you just turn out to be a murderous a******? Like, there's no point. Then you're just like, the zombies gotta.

Travis: Be better than the zombies, guys.

Chris: You gotta carry on the flame of humanity.

Other Chris: That, that reminds me of the future.

Chris: Generate survivor generations to eventually rebuild with.

Travis: Yeah.

Other Chris: That reminds me of another, uh, uh, possible, uh, you know, post apocalypse scenario.

Travis: Yeah.

Other Chris: Uh, from, uh, uh, from Trigun.

Travis: Oh, yeah.

Other Chris: Where. Where what survives is the f****** insurance company.

Chris: Yeah, there we go. Yeah.

Travis: Yeah. We gotta earn those double dollars.

Chris: Something.

Other Chris: Yeah.

Chris: Something to bind you together.

Travis: Yeah. So I've never read this book, hamstring.

Chris: I read half of it. Yeah.

Travis: Other Chris have a long time ago.

Other Chris: I've not read this. No.

Chris: So I only.

Other Chris: I've also not seen the movie.

Chris: No, I've seen the movie, but I.

Other Chris: Am a, uh, fan of David Brin.

Travis: Yeah.

Chris: Yeah.

Travis: So cool. Without spoiling anything, Hamsun, can you give us like, a flavor of what vibe we can expect here?

Chris: Yeah. Positivity and struggle, like, adversity trying to rebuild. There will be characters that you hopefully grow to like who face problems and maybe potential life threatening situations. M the best.

Other Chris: Maybe care as a result.

Chris: What, right.

Travis: Wired.

Chris: And the best sidekick name ever of Ford Lincoln Mercury. Yeah. And he explains why he's younger than the postman character. So that's why he, he chose his own name when he.

Other Chris: Ford Lincoln Mercury.

Travis: Ford Prefect.

Other Chris: That's. Yeah.

Chris: And I've always liked this story because of its. Hey, this is the story, like, of, uh, people who tried to rebuild and stuff like that, you know, like kind of being remembered maybe further down the line or there's like an epilogue at the end or something too, that talks about, like. And it's in the movie as well a bit.

Travis: Yeah.

Chris: Um, the importance of this for bringing people back together and rebuilding after the end of the world. So instead of just being mad Max forever, it's like, oh, no, people went through a s***** time, but we eventually got through that and dealt with the a*******.

Travis: Yeah.

Chris: And, uh, we're finally able to kind of rebuild a bit after that and create, you know, some stability and nice times again. So for people.

Travis: Guys, can't we finally just get past Thunderdome?

Chris: Right? No, you need them kids from the air.

Travis: I'm sorry. Beyond Thunderdome f***** up every night.

Chris: They remember their. They remember their past.

Travis: Yeah.

Chris: But. Yeah. Which I appreciate that because most of a lot of apocalyptic stuff, especially from then, was like, nope, it's just s*****.

Other Chris: Yeah.

Chris: Underdome type stuff all the time. Are you gonna be the awesome anti hero, character murdering, you know, a******* or not?

Other Chris: No, you're probably just gonna die.

Chris: Yeah, probably. Most likely you're just in those worlds, you're gonna die. You're gonna be the f****** water people at a Morton Joe's place. Yeah, there you go begging for s***. That's what's gonna happen.

Travis: Yeah.

Chris: So. But in this, it's nice because it's people just trying to make it and, like, because I can't remember how many years after the world it is when it starts, but, like, it goes around and there's like, you know, people have farms going again and show. Yeah, but.

Other Chris: Mm hmm.

Chris: You know? Yeah, it's good.

Travis: Cool, cool, cool, cool, cool. So the movie, right?

Chris: Mm hmm.

Travis: This came out in 1997. So the same year as starship troopers. So. My God, I did not realize that.

Chris: Like, I felt like you didn't remember that either.

Travis: I don't know. The turn of the millennium is where I kind of put it mentally, but.

Chris: Mmm.

Travis: Nope. Uh, and it's starring and directed by Kevin Costner.

Chris: Yeah.

Travis: Released on. And it was roundly criticized and more or less completely bombed and.

Other Chris: Oh, yeah.

Travis: Yeah.

Other Chris: See how we feel about it, I suppose.

Travis: Yeah. But we'll see.

Chris: I still think as an adaptation, it's okay to fit a movie screen.

Travis: Yeah.

Chris: M. You know, in a two hour time slot. But it's not gonna do what you want it to do completely, of course.

Travis: Yeah. M. Yeah, yeah.

Chris: But it still gets the gist of the story across of some guy gets stuff and tries to. Ends up spreading hope amongst people and that's what helps them overthrow, you know, the a******* and build back better.

Travis: Yeah.

Chris: Sorry. Sorry to use that phrase.

Travis: How dare you?

Chris: Politics here. But, well, I guess, like, the main overarching thing about it and costume likes stories like that, so.

Travis: Yeah, yeah. And it doesn't help that he had come off of doing Waterworld and, like, this was the most expensive flop ever. He's like, I can do better.

Chris: Keep trying. Almost 30 years later, Waterworld is not too bad of a movie for its time.

Travis: For its time. Yeah.

Chris: So.

Travis: But, yeah, basically at the time, people were like, you put yourself in it, too, and it's 3 hours long.

Chris: Yeah.

Travis: Again, mister Carson. So it's got. Had an $80 million budget and ended up making just under 21 million and only five in the first weekend, so.

Other Chris: Yikes.

Chris: That was such small budgets, though. I'm like, remember those days when a big, expensive movie was only $80 million?

Travis: Yeah, yeah, but, yeah, on Christmas too, like, only 5 million.

Chris: Yeah.

Travis: Uh, so, uh, like, if it was.

Chris: September, be like, that's okay.

Travis: Some other movies it was up against.

Chris: Hey, yeah. Say, guess what else came out for Christmas around Christmas in 97? F****** Titanic.

Travis: Yes, exactly.

Chris: We saw that. That's what we saw on Christmas of 97 was Titanic.

Travis: Did it come out in Christmas? I thought Titanic, yeah. Oh, that's right. Because it would have been summer.

Chris: It came out right at the end of 97 for Christmas. And that way. 85 years since Titanic sank. Yeah, 1912. So, yeah, they wanted to make sure it could get in for the oscars, so, yeah, had time to hit. Be a holiday hit, so. But most people saw it in, like, January and February. Right, of 90.

Travis: Yes. And continuing on into the summer of 98.

Chris: Right.

Other Chris: Yeah.

Travis: But, uh, yeah.

Other Chris: Good God.

Travis: So some other movies that was up against it outperformed it. Titanic, men in black, Jurassic park.

Chris: Yeah.

Travis: Batman and Rob is good. Face off.

Chris: Sorry.

Travis: Contact.

Other Chris: Uh.

Chris: Oh, I liked contact.

Travis: Fifth element.

Other Chris: Mm hmm.

Travis: Starship troopers.

Other Chris: Oh, my God.

Travis: And even that was considered a bomb, so.

Chris: Didn't really do well. This man did better than it.

Other Chris: Man.

Travis: And event horizon.

Other Chris: What the f*** happened? Uh, like, where did movies go?

Travis: Serious?

Chris: I don't know.

Other Chris: Like, come back.

Travis: They just say, like, a banner year. Like 1997, apparently. And 2000.

Other Chris: What the f***?

Chris: So some of you, like, like, actual stories and not just sequels.

Travis: It's because the budgets were only, like, $80 million. They could make more than one movie each season.

Chris: They can still make, like, good movies for $80 million. They choose that too.

Other Chris: Like. Like, I'm just. I'm just, like, I'm racking my brain trying to think of that many movies in the last f******, uh, decade.

Chris: Ah, right. That were different and good.

Other Chris: 1997.

Travis: Right.

Chris: Yeah.

Travis: That's because all of them in the decade have been, like, Marvel movie and DC, maybe.

Other Chris: Yeah.

Chris: Yeah.

Travis: Pretty.

Chris: And a Disney movie every year almost. Sometimes it does. May or may not. Does. Well, yeah.

Travis: Right. So some movies, it did outperform that year. Well, mhm. In that calendar year, I should say. Okay, turbo, a Power Rangers movie. Space jam. But only the part it earned that because it came out the year before Cole the conqueror. Uh, the re release of the Godfather, the pest, starring John Lennon, God.

Other Chris: Okay.

Travis: And warriors of virtue, which I definitely saw in the theaters. And it was pretty awesome.

Other Chris: Okay.

Travis: It was like.

Chris: Of the pest. Yeah, there was a guy, and so when I was in high school, when, uh, my sophomore year, I had mister Kershman. He was our religion and philosophy teacher.

Travis: Yeah.

Chris: Guy was probably an atheist, but he did a good job of teaching, like, ethics and philosophy and how to debate stuff.

Other Chris: Yeah.

Chris: Uh, but he, uh, I had him for study hall second semester, so he was one of those teachers guys, like, if you guys just come in and do your s*** and don't cause any problems, like, you can watch movies and crap. Yeah, we did. Like, that's where we watched my copy of the matrix, things like that. He's like, just don't tell your parents because technically we're supposed to get permission for watch rated r movies. Um, but one of the guys, one of the guys in my class brought his copy of the pest and it was annoyingly funny, but Mister Kershman took it and never gave it back to him.

Travis: Oh, that's sad.

Chris: So I still feel kind of bad that that happened, but it's also hilarious. He's like, no, this was a terrible movie that nobody ever needs to see again. Like, I'm not giving it back to you.

Travis: Fair didn't.

Chris: And, uh, we found. It's like, smashed, empty box, like, two years later, the WCCP editing room. We're like, jesus, he really was serious. So. Whoopsies.

Other Chris: Yeah, he just. He made that movie more collectible is.

Chris: What he did, apparently, yeah.

Travis: Wow.

Chris: So it's. Okay. Sadly, Mister Kirshman died, so I can tell these stories now. Nobody will hold him into account. That was actually. Sorry. All right, bring up a sad point.

Other Chris: Sorry.

Travis: Um, yeah, but the movie, right? It has Tom Petty. Yeah. So how bad could it be?

Other Chris: Mmm.

Chris: M, right?

Travis: Yeah. Maybe he'll play a cool song.

Chris: Maybe. Probably.

Travis: It was also nominated for three Saturn awards and five golden raspberries, which it won. All of those, including worst picture. Worst picture.

Other Chris: I'm excited.

Chris: Now, it's a tout that as someone involved in that project, like today, I'd be like, yeah, we won five golden raspberries.

Travis: It's up there with Catwoman and whatnot.

Chris: So it's better than Catwoman? Yes, it is better than Catwoman. Well, was it the best movie of the year? No. That's why, yes, it is better than Halle Berry's Catwoman.

Travis: Well, the thing that gives your.

Chris: Halle Berry would agree.

Travis: Yeah. Thing that gives me hope is that Bryn himself seemed pretty happy with it. Like, okay, there was an original screenplay that they had to throw away because it had totally reversed the moral of the novel.

Chris: Oh, yeah.

Other Chris: Wow.

Travis: Yeah.

Chris: He's like, no, we're not doing that.

Travis: Yeah, he was.

Other Chris: I mean, they just made another Mad.

Travis: Max movie, pretty much probably, like, you got it. Exactly.

Chris: Do that with certain characters from the story. Yeah, that's not the point of it.

Travis: Yeah.

Other Chris: Right?

Chris: Looks. It's a perfectly fine, 1997 era, uh, adaptation of the story.

Travis: Yeah.

Chris: It's not the best it could have been, but it is serviceable, I think.

Travis: Um, maybe you guys disagree.

Chris: Maybe I just like it because I watched it as a kid, too, and, like, Latin and, like, this is neat, you know?

Other Chris: I suppose we'll find out, right?

Travis: Guess the only way to know for.

Chris: Sure, my question is going to be, where can we find it to watch it? I don't know where it's available. I might have to buy it, hopefully on Blu ray, because I don't do dvd anymore. Let's real quick.

Travis: The postman. I'm sure it's on, like, Amazon or something. Yeah, you can get it on YouTube. Five or $4.

Chris: Okay.

Travis: It's not, like, streaming anywhere, but you can get it online.

Chris: Right, right. Uh, okay. That's good.

Travis: Yeah.

Chris: Just got to make sure I have access to it.

Travis: Yes.

Chris: Like, the movie exists. Why can't we watch it?

Travis: That's not what we do. Sorry. Yeah, they talked about how Bryn, like, was pretty much all in on having Costner being the main guy from the beginning, but he was very specific. I want Field of Dreams Costner, not Waterworld Costner.

Other Chris: Yeah. There you go.

Chris: Uh, so that's a good way to put it. Yeah.

Other Chris: Uh, and I. And I suppose Kevin Costner was like, all right. Can do.

Travis: Yeah. Well, apparently, he turned Air Force one, tell people to get off his plane to come and do this. And I don't know if that's the better decision or not, but I don't.

Chris: Know that it was, either. But it's what happened.

Other Chris: I mean, I don't know, like, being.

Travis: The president in Air Force one. I don't know.

Other Chris: Like. Like. I mean, I suppose that, um. I don't know if you had a choice between, like, you know, lot more. Create creative freedom.

Travis: Yeah.

Other Chris: Or, like, you know, just doing a f******.

Chris: Being the main actor. Yeah.

Travis: That's a guy punching kick.

Chris: Maybe it was the right choice.

Other Chris: I feel like. I feel like that's what he would have rather done, but yeah.

Chris: Yeah. Especially that point.

Travis: And then he made point in his career development. Whatever.

Chris: I think I've seen that, but I.

Travis: Can'T remember thinking to myself like, is this why we don't see much Kevin, Kevin Costner anymore?

Chris: Is like, uh, have you not watched Yellowstone?

Travis: I have not.

Chris: You need to watch Yellowstone. That fantastic? Yes. Oh, um, he is the patriarch of the family and he's ruthless and it's fantastic.

Travis: I haven't watched Yellowstone, but I have gone to boosies, so I feel like watching.

Chris: Yes. They had a lot of Yellowstone stuff at boosien. I was very basically this. Yeah, it is a fantastic drama. Hopefully. I love it.

Travis: What about the one with Sam Elliot?

Chris: Oh, the ranch. That's amazing too. That's a great show. Great show. If you haven't watched that too, you should watch it. They're both about ranching.

Travis: Well, all right.

Chris: Do you want a, uh, ruthless Montana ranch family dynasty in Yellowstone or you have a small time ranch family trying to control legacy and get along in the ranch with some really good one liners? It's, they're both really good, so you.

Travis: Should watch them both. I'll just watch Tombstone again. I also just wanted to make sure I got this bullet point in here. On the Wikipedia page it says, this movie was cited by Rolling Stone as one of the 50 worst decisions in film history.

Other Chris: Oh, wow.

Chris: Ah. Uh, so I guess I'm the only one that likes the movie then.

Travis: Yeah, this might seem like, guys, this might be the year Daniel's like, I really hated this.

Chris: Yeah, but Chris didn't pick this one. I did.

Other Chris: No, but, but, but here's the thing. Like, like, uh, I don't know, I I feel like I'm consistently surprised.

Travis: That's true.

Chris: She might, ah.

Travis: F****** love ever since planet watching, y'all.

Chris: Like, she might love. Yeah.

Other Chris: Yeah. Is, is Kevin Costner's a** in this movie?

Chris: Is probably.

Other Chris: I feel like.

Chris: But it's still that, that nineties Kevin Costner body, so. Yeah, it's probably, yeah.

Other Chris: I mean, if his a** is in the movie, then I feel like she might like it.

Travis: He does like a nice a**. Mm hmm, mm hmm.

Chris: Well, hey, I mean, so do I have ladies or what? Yeah. Like, I totally understand her love of, but.

Travis: Anthropologists for years have said humans like a**.

Chris: We do. Yes. And the semi theory of why breasts are always there is because they look like butts. So I don't know if I agree with that, but that's been a theory.

Travis: That is a theory.

Chris: Like, yeah, because we are unique and we're the only ape species where the females have permanent breasts.

Travis: Comes back to ask for you guys.

Chris: Uh, what can I say? I was a b*** man from the. For my teenage years on, so.

Travis: Oh boy. Uh, yeah. So reading this book, right, apple bottom.

Chris: Jean song was a nice one for me.

Travis: Not acknowledging that. Uh.

Other Chris: Moving on.

Travis: So this book, like the chapters in it are weird. It's one of these books that is like this chapter will be 20 pages and this one will be half and.

Chris: The next one is two. Yeah, right. Mhm.

Travis: But if we divide it in half, it pretty evenly divides between the first two sections and the last two sections.

Other Chris: Okay.

Chris: So I put mine in half and I got chapter twelve, Oregon. So.

Other Chris: Yes.

Travis: Um, so if you read section one, cascades, and section two, Cyclops, stop. When you get to section three, cincinnatus. That'll put you exactly in half of the book.

Other Chris: Okay. All right, so I guess I better go buy this book.

Chris: Oh, I didn't realize my book has somebody's, uh, imprinted my library seal in here.

Travis: Whose library?

Chris: Library of Daniel L. Hatherly. Oh, man. Sorry. Mad Daniel L. Mad Daniel. Dlm. Yep. I got your book from Pals website. Just so you know, buddy, hopefully you're still alive. I don't know.

Travis: Talking about keeping your personal information secure.

Other Chris: Yeah.

Travis: Last on the most widely listened to book podcast in North America.

Other Chris: And Zambia.

Chris: And Zambia. What if we are? I mean, we're not, but what if we were insanely popular in Zambia? How weird and awesome would that be?

Travis: I think we have to go check it out. Let's go into Oregon for the weekend. We're going to Zambia.

Other Chris: Yeah. Live recording in Zambia.

Travis: Yeah. Yeah, we could get people to turn out.

Other Chris: I'm sure we can.

Chris: Yeah.

Travis: So anyway, we'll figure out a time to meet again and talk about that, but time to get reading.

Other Chris: Mm. Mhm hmm.

Travis: Um. Um. So yeah, what else is good? You guys.

Chris: Stuff thoroughly in the middle of the school year.

Travis: Yeah.

Chris: Second quarters ending right before my birthday. But I got to give them middle, uh, of the year. I ready diagnostic next week or this week, like starting tomorrow.

Travis: Yeah.

Other Chris: So, um.

Chris: I'll be fine.

Travis: Yeah.

Chris: Uh, we got to start. I never read the book we're supposed to read, but I'm just going to start teaching it anyways because they need to read it. Like I can't read it before they do. Let's.

Travis: Sounds right.

Other Chris: Yeah.

Chris: My principal wanted me to have read it, but I'm like, that's just not gonna happen.

Travis: This is a fiction.

Chris: Uh, yeah, it's refugee by Alan Gratz, which I just learned that probably the reason we push him a lot too is he's a North Carolina author, so he's cuz our live school librarian sent out an email Friday. He's coming to town, I think, in February.

Travis: Yeah.

Chris: So with ticket info and your tick, it's like $25 to see him. But it also gets you a new copy of his new book, heroes. It's like something about, like Pearl harbor or something.

Travis: Interesting.

Chris: Refugee, from my understanding, follows, uh, three refugee children. A jewish kid in the thirties or during World War Two in N*** Germany, a haitian girl in the nineties, and then a syrian girl and a kid in 2015.

Travis: Yeah.

Chris: So it breaks them up into, like, you read a one chapter about one kid and, like. Or a couple about one kid and some about the other. Ah, they all get tied together at the end.

Travis: Yeah.

Chris: They all have, like, kind of like, harrowing experiences. Like, I know what happens with the jewish art because I was told that.

Travis: Yeah.

Chris: Um, by mister B last year and Mister. Mister Beast, other guy. No, Mister m breath hour. But breath hour is a hard name for kids, so he's Mister B. Um, so I learned about the jewish kid, but then the haitian kid. I think it's attacked by a shark because their boat sinks when they're trying to make it to Florida or something.

Travis: Yeah.

Other Chris: D***.

Chris: And, uh, because I learned that from, ah, we talked about it at the english teachers meeting thing I had to go to in October.

Travis: Mm hmm.

Other Chris: Mm hmm.

Chris: Where I also got a lot of s*** to how to do this book so I don't have to, you know, like, mapped out everything.

Other Chris: Yeah.

Chris: One of the fun projects this is one teacher like, to do is have the kids make this, like, photo collage thingy. Like a stuff about each kid and wondering, like, so if one kid, like, had his little brother lie on the ground and covered his leg in ketchup to represent. Oh. So I bet that kid, because Mister James warned me about, like, let me know what you think about there'll be an encounter with a shark. I'm like, okay. And so now I know what happens with that kid. And, uh, I don't know much about the syrian refugee one, but, yeah, it's refugee all right. And it's. I don't know. It's the book that 7th graders have to read this for. 7th grade?

Travis: Yeah.

Chris: I'm like, my kids aren't gonna read, but. Oh, well, like, they don't read. They don't want to read. They can't read a paragraph without b******* about it.

Travis: So you should have had.

Chris: I'm m. Like, it's four sentences. Read it.

Travis: Had them do the Captain America book that he did, maybe, but.

Chris: Well, no, this is determined by the schools. They have to read refugee.

Travis: No, but they. The other one.

Chris: Sure. Just like, I think they need to get rid of the f****** boy in the striped pajamas for the 8th graders, but they're not gonna do that anytime soon.

Travis: Yeah.

Other Chris: Oh, geez.

Chris: We don't like, like, it's very controversial book in the jewish community because they could be reading a fiction story. It's made up and it centers on a german kid.

Travis: Yeah.

Other Chris: Mhm.

Chris: Like, sure, that's different. Like, kids read that on their own, like, it's not real and it's presenting a fictional experience and they're treating it like it's real.

Travis: Right?

Chris: Yeah, it's not, and we don't like it. I'm like, if you want, there's plenty of good, you know, age appropriate for, like, 8th graders holocaust material out there.

Other Chris: Right.

Chris: The boy in the striped pajamas is not it. So.

Travis: It's not it fam.

Chris: Yeah, like, if you want something centric on the experience, you could do, I don't know, like number the stars. Like, I read, even though that's centered on a non jewish kid, too, it's very accurate on what happened with Denmark and how they got their jews out. Yeah, so something like that. You want a heroic holocaust story? Do that one.

Travis: Simon read that in fifth grade. Not too long. Yeah, so.

Chris: Yeah, but that's a good one for that eight around that age frame. Yeah, so we'll have to do that. Well, but right now we're reading, uh, it's our space unit in the textbook, so we read like an informational text about some stuff, but like, Mars colony colonization. Now we're reading Ray Bradbury. M. Well, it's the way our book does it is there's a theme for every unit, so there's a mentor text for that one that everything else is based around, themed around. So that was the one about, uh, Mars colonization? No, that was one of why we should go into space and colonize stuff. Like go elsewhere. And then we had one that was about a Mars colony. Like, details. And then you get a fiction story. So we're reading Ray Bradbury. Like, what was it? Like their eyes were dark and something, or I can't remember what's called, but kind of know.

Travis: Princess of Mars short story about what Mars reading about.

Chris: And then. Oh, and in my adult mitzvah class, I got recommended a cool book. Uh, I'm also reading hebrew roots, jewish routes, and it talks about, like, a lot of different cool stuff, but it focuses on, like, hebrew words because they're learning. The adults are learning Hebrew. I already know how to read it, but, like, there's some of the root stuff you can kind of see, sort of. So it'll pick a root and, like, focus on its meaning and go into in depth about it.

Travis: Yeah.

Chris: It's supposed to be hebrew root words that are very common or important to jews. Like, that sounds cool. So belief in philosophy and living things like that, and, like, the way it's divided up is part one. There's a part one, deep Hebrew. Like, select this chapter one, put some past in your future Hebrew in the contemporary jewish experience.

Travis: Yeah.

Chris: Chapter two. Hebrew is opposed to what the Jews choose. Hebrew and other languages. When a community is multilingual, talk like an egyptian and babylonian and so stuff like souvenirs of Babylon, holy Aramaic, Arabic in the Sephardi Middle Ages. So they do that stuff and pick different words to focus on. Like, different hebrew word roots to focus on.

Other Chris: That's cool.

Chris: Uh, at that time. So, yeah, it's a pretty neat book so far.

Travis: Cool.

Chris: Um, yeah, something delving into that too, when I can.

Other Chris: Sweet.

Chris: Yeah. It was hard to find it though, because my Amazon app could not find it, but Amazon on the Internet did.

Travis: What's it called?

Chris: Hebrew roots. Jewish routes, but jewish roots. R o u t e s. Yeah. A tribal language in a global world by Jeremy Ben Steen. So, okay. Yeah. And it's kind of trying to make the case that all of us Jews should know at least like, Hebrew like this in the book to connect us all together.

Travis: Yeah.

Chris: And whatnot. Since, like, half of Judaism, half of the jewish people speaks Hebrew and half of the jewish people speaks English. So it's like, let's kind of like, bridge that the way it used to be bridged with Hebrew, at least biblical Hebrew.

Travis: Yeah.

Chris: Stuff. Because that's the nice thing about the focusing on the roots is even if most american Jews would, like, only learn biblical Hebrew to an extent, like, they can still connect with modern Hebrew because it uses the same roots and stuff. They've just created different vocabulary out of some of that stuff.

Other Chris: Stuff, yeah.

Chris: But he goes over some of the modern Hebrew stuff too. So people can kind of connect that way, which is nice and cool, I think.

Travis: So my first search turned up a book called Hebrew Roots of Mormonism. And that seems.

Chris: I saw that on the list. Yeah.

Travis: It seems very confused. I don't know.

Chris: Well, I'm sure they borrowed stuff from, you know, the Tanakh and other things to make mormonism.

Travis: So I guess, I mean, if they.

Other Chris: Were sort about it.

Chris: Well, and they did build that whole, like, weird fake story that focuses a lot on supposed jewish people. The book of Mormon.

Travis: Oh, yeah, yeah, the book that, like. Oh, translate. Uh, it again, because we lost it. Like. Okay, hold on. Like, oh, I can't this time.

Chris: Oh, well, no, that's a section. And that's because Joseph Smith was told not to share it with anybody but himself and his translator, Oliver Crowdery. But he told his wife about it one night, and that was a big no no, apparently.

Other Chris: Oh, uh, no.

Chris: So he couldn't get that section back. And you had to, like, try to go from memory and talk to Moroni about it or something, so it's different.

Travis: Moroni?

Chris: Yeah. Uh, they made a movie. Alex, my friend Alex went and saw that the other month. There's a movie that came out with Billy Zane in it that's about Moroni.

Other Chris: Billy Zane.

Chris: Billy Zane's the bad guy.

Other Chris: We have Billy Zane on the pod?

Chris: Probably.

Travis: We probably can if he's on cameo. Let me see.

Chris: He's probably not expensive. Yeah, but my going theory is, you busy these days? The book of Mormon is so fantastically strange, I don't think Joseph Smith could have invented it completely. So my theory is that it comes from in a parallel universe.

Other Chris: Oh, man.

Chris: A parallel earth where this s*** actually happened. Like, so they're thinking it happened here, but it didn't. There's no evidence, there's no record. There's no effect based in it, but I'm thinking it happened in the universe right next door.

Other Chris: So my friend, uh, a parallel earth, my friend showed me this game online, and I cannot remember the name of it, but basically what it is is, um, it's like a duel between movie people. And, like, what you do is, um, you start with a movie, and then you have to name a, uh, linked movie either by someone in the cast or by the director or.

Chris: Oh, yeah.

Other Chris: And, um. Yeah. And, uh, he told me that he got into a Billy Zane off.

Chris: That's nice.

Other Chris: Like. Like, I see your titanic and raise you a phantom.

Travis: No one refuses to.

Chris: Well, I feel like this, this movie could be like the ultimate Billy Zane Trump, because no one's gonna hurt. I've heard of it. They're not gonna believe. They're gonna look it up, and they're like, well, d***.

Other Chris: Yeah, I mean. I mean, the, you know, the goal of the game is to try and work somebody into a corner where they can't think of a related movie. Right?

Chris: Yeah.

Other Chris: And so it's like, like, I think, uh, I think you can only use the same connection three times. So it's like if you could get them into that Billy Zane corner and they can't name another with anyone else in it.

Chris: Oh, and when Alex was telling me about that, I'm like, is Billy Zane Mormon? Why would he make this? No, he's greek orthodox.

Travis: He just likes money.

Chris: Because his real family name was like, zana Tacos. Oh, something like that. And he shortened it, those parents did, because they were involved in the theater. So they shortened the name to Zayn because that was better for, um, theater stuff at the time. It's been their greek name. It is, yeah. Then their greek name, he's like totally greek because both his parents background from greek immigrants, like their parents came from his grandparents, all came from Greece. So that's pretty sweet Billy Zane.

Other Chris: Pretty sweet Billy Zane. Join us on the podcast.

Chris: He's a cool mike. Do you have a really great family Spanakopita recipe? Because I would love to know.

Travis: He should, should open a taco shop.

Chris: Yeah, right. Greek tacos.

Travis: So he's not on cameo, and neither is David. Oh, but you know who is David Herman? Okay, m, you can have him do voices from futurama or office space.

Chris: Perfect.

Other Chris: Oh, my God.

Travis: Or even touchy from disenchantment. And all the proceeds go to st. Francis center of Los Angeles, so.

Chris: Mmm.

Other Chris: Mhm.

Travis: Oh, David.

Chris: Cool. Yes. That actually probably be cool then.

Travis: Yeah, yeah. Okay, cool. That's a lot of good things.

Other Chris: Yeah, it's many.

Chris: Sorry. I feel like I overwhelmed it.

Travis: Except for happy.

Chris: I didn't even show you.

Travis: But we talked.

Other Chris: Yeah, yeah.

Travis: Okay. Other Chris before, uh, he shows us a coin.

Other Chris: Oh, my God. He's got a point out there.

Chris: I put it away. Put it away.

Travis: Okay.

Other Chris: Read easy.

Travis: Phew.

Chris: Yep.

Travis: Other Chris, what else is good?

Other Chris: Oh, Jesus. Okay, so, um, let's see. Um, I've been reading a few things. I started reading, um, uh, you know those final, uh, interview books.

Travis: Final, um, interview books?

Other Chris: Yeah. There's a series of books called, like, the final interview. And, like, um, I have one, uh, from Ursula kay le guin, and I have one from Octavia butler.

Travis: Gotcha.

Other Chris: I've been reading the, uh, Octavia butler interview. It's actually several interviews that are compiled, um, and it does contain the final interview, like at the end of.

Travis: Oh, yeah.

Other Chris: But it's very interesting, right. To see sort of, uh, her perspective on life and writing and sort of what she has to say about different things and even to see sort of like, what opinions of hers, uh, stayed the same and what changed over the years through the different interviews.

Travis: Yeah.

Other Chris: And sort of like, uh, getting. Getting her take on, like, her reasons for writing things and, um, you know, sort of, uh. Yeah. Just. Just. She's a really interesting person.

Travis: Yeah.

Other Chris: And, uh, this is known, but. Yeah. Yeah. So. So I would. I would recommend that. Yeah, definitely. Um, I started reading, uh, and this one is a. This one is a tougher one to get through, but, uh, I'm still on this sort of, like, psychology.

Chris: Ah.

Other Chris: Self help kick, I suppose. And, uh, I started reading a book called adult, um, children of emotionally immature parents.

Travis: Nice.

Other Chris: And, um, that one is like, you know, the. It's tough to get through, not because of, like, the reading level, but because of the emotional content, I, uh, suppose.

Travis: Yeah.

Other Chris: And how, uh, man, you. You read through it and you just, like, every couple of pages, kind of have to set it down and f****** process something.

Chris: Gonna say, were your parents emotionally immature?

Other Chris: Uh, I mean, I would say maybe.

Travis: One ways that might be an offline conversation, but. Yeah.

Other Chris: Yeah, maybe.

Chris: Yeah, sure.

Other Chris: But, you know, uh, I recommend that for probably most people.

Travis: Right. M. Yeah.

Other Chris: Feel like that's something most people could get something out of.

Travis: Right.

Chris: Yeah.

Other Chris: Um, and then watch, uh, the first episode of the new season of True Detective.

Chris: Oh, I forgot. I keep forgetting there's a new season. Yeah. That's coming out.

Other Chris: Oh, man. Like, it. It's pretty. Ah, f****** excellent so far. I'm excited for this season. Season. Very nice, you know? Yeah, it's. It's. It's got that same sort of, uh. Like, there's. There's. There's a little bit of, like, otherworldliness to it.

Travis: Right.

Other Chris: Like there was in the first season. And I appreciate that.

Chris: Cool.

Other Chris: Yeah, yeah.

Travis: I need to go back and finish the first season.

Other Chris: It's worthwhile.

Travis: Yeah, yeah.

Other Chris: And. And this one is shaping up to be a good one.

Travis: It's.

Other Chris: Even after just one episode, I'm quite excited for it.

Travis: It's been on my list long enough that someone lent me the dvd of the first season, and then I didn't watch it, and then, like, HBO go became a thing, and then Max and. Yeah, it's just Max. I still haven't watched it, and I still have dvd.

Chris: You should.

Travis: Right there.

Other Chris: Oh, there it is.

Travis: I need to not only watch, I need to give it back to them.

Chris: Yeah. Um.

Travis: Yeah.

Chris: Yeah, it's good. I got to watch that with Chris.

Travis: And Sharon season isn't quite as good.

Chris: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Other Chris: That was. That was when we did our HBO night.

Chris: Yes, it is.

Other Chris: Yeah. Fried chicken.

Chris: Uh, she did. She still kind of loves me for that.

Other Chris: Yeah.

Travis: Nice.

Chris: She sees me just like, oh, hey, chicken guy. Then she figures out I don't have any chicken for. And she wanders off and looks a little f*** you.

Other Chris: Yeah.

Chris: She's like. She's like, I thought we were friends.

Other Chris: Yeah, we had a deal.

Travis: Yeah, you bring.

Chris: I would like you in exchange for chicken. I'm uh, like, but dongo, I think that was probably bad for you. She's like, I don't care.

Travis: Grab something.

Other Chris: She doesn't care.

Chris: Yeah, the RHBO nights were kind of a highlight in my grad school experience.

Travis: Yeah, I can hear you.

Other Chris: Oh, my goodness.

Chris: See, there it is. Yep.

Travis: What?

Chris: There it is. There it is.

Travis: Sorry, was that the end of your list before I jump in?

Other Chris: Yeah, yeah, that was.

Travis: Okay. So we talked about it in the chat, but I finally got all the way through death Note, the all in one edition.

Other Chris: Okay.

Travis: And I just want to really highlight how of much of an astronsity monstrosity, this.

Chris: Yeah.

Travis: Thing is.

Chris: It's almost insane. Yes.

Travis: It is basically a cube of paper.

Chris: And, like, how do you efficiently read that?

Travis: Like, don't. It is just short of, uh, 2400 pages.

Chris: Oh, jeez. Like a hundred volumes you could buy.

Travis: So, yeah, so, yeah, I saw this on the shelf. I'm like, I don't know if I really want to read death Note, but I feel like I have to have this. This.

Other Chris: Yeah.

Travis: Just for the sheer audacity of it.

Other Chris: Just. Yeah, you know. Yeah.

Travis: And it was only like $30 or so. Uh, really? Yeah.

Chris: That's very reasonably priced for a cube of book.

Other Chris: I mean, they.

Travis: Right.

Other Chris: They put it in a box. They could have printed it in two volumes. God d*** it.

Travis: A tree.

Chris: I think they wanted. I think he wanted to go to the absurdity of it. Yeah, but, yeah, I think they wanted just to make it absurd.

Travis: I've developed carpal tunnel in both hands now from trying to hold it. It was never easy to do. I had to have, like, a system of pillows set up, but, uh, I believe it. So, yeah, in general, I liked it. It had some interesting ideas in there about, you know, the death penalty and justice and, you know, how people might react to the idea that they could just be literally killed at any time if they do something bad.

Chris: Yeah.

Travis: And the kind of f****** crazy person you'd have to be to be like, oh, I can just kill anyone. I'm totally in.

Chris: What do you think about it?

Travis: Yeah, but, well, I told Danielle, I'm like, this is your dream scenario. Like this?

Chris: Yeah, actually, that makes sense.

Travis: That guy. What is your name? I'm sorry? What's your name? Thank you. You will be dead in 30 seconds. Uh, no, but, um, I guess I didn't realize going in that it was like a shonen.

Chris: Mm hmm.

Travis: Uh, so I didn't realize how much of it was gonna be that kind of non advancing of story.

Other Chris: Mm hmm.

Travis: Where stuff happens, but it doesn't really change anything. So I kept expecting there to be more contrived, more actual plot, plot twists and stuff. And not that there weren't them in there, but it was a lot of them. Being like, this will fool him into revealing who he is. And he's like, oh, I did that. And like, haha, I got you. He's like, but actually, I outsmarted. You're outsmarting.

Other Chris: Yeah.

Travis: Now, I knew that too. And so I double tricked you, and I'm getting away with double tricks. Exactly my point.

Other Chris: Yeah.

Travis: And so.

Other Chris: So, yeah, here's, here's a. Ah. I have a couple of recommendations based on this.

Travis: Okay.

Chris: Mhm.

Other Chris: Okay, so. So one of them is, um, Bakuman.

Travis: Mm hmm.

Other Chris: You should. You should check out Bakuman, both the manga and the anime.

Travis: Yeah.

Other Chris: Um, because I believe Bakuman is the same writer, uh, artist.

Travis: Oh, yeah.

Other Chris: Pair.

Travis: Okay.

Other Chris: And Bakuman is about, um, Bakuman is about high school kids who make manga.

Travis: Oh, cool.

Chris: Oh, nice.

Other Chris: And it's kind of, uh, it gives you a little bit of a view behind the scenes, and it also has some of that sort of shonen feel of, like, competition and overcoming adversity. And, like, right, like, here's. Here's how, like, you make it as a manga artist and, you know, folding in maybe some, like, true experience. And, like, I don't know, the characters are really interesting. Like, it's. It's a lot of fun.

Travis: Yeah.

Other Chris: And it's. It's. It's also interesting because, like I said, it's the same artist writer pair, I think.

Travis: Right.

Other Chris: And, um, like, seeing. Seeing that sort of style, but applied to this other, like, totally different kind of story is really interesting.

Travis: Right.

Other Chris: Um, and in terms of, like, convolutions, uh, of logic, and, uh, just sheer, like, like, mind numbing strategic thinking.

Travis: Yeah.

Other Chris: Um, I would recommend, uh, kaguya samade.

Travis: Oh, yeah.

Other Chris: Um, I've seen that, but, yeah, so. So, like, imagine. Imagine that sort of, like, death note. I've outsmarted. You're outsmarting.

Chris: But it's.

Other Chris: But it's applied to, um. It's applied to the student council president and vice president.

Travis: Nice.

Other Chris: Who are actually in love with each other, but neither one of them wants to.

Travis: Gotcha.

Other Chris: And so. And so it is them just trying to, like. Like, finagle social situations in which they force the other person to confess to them.

Travis: Uh, okay.

Other Chris: Because they don't want to be the one to do it.

Travis: Right, right.

Other Chris: And, like.

Travis: Like, I think when we were scrolling through all of crunchyroll, you brought that up, but.

Other Chris: Mm hmm. Yeah, it is. It is, uh, uh, it is very good. It's very entertaining.

Travis: Nice.

Other Chris: And. Yeah, like. Like, kind of a. Kind of a lighter version of that. Sort of, like, battle of wits.

Travis: Yeah.

Other Chris: You know?

Chris: Right.

Other Chris: But it. But it's actually, uh, I would say, like, all of the. All of the little set pieces are, like, really clever.

Travis: Nice.

Other Chris: Yeah.

Chris: Cool.

Travis: Nice.

Other Chris: Yeah.

Travis: Um, cool. I will look into those because now I've got a kinokunia membership, so I can get discount.

Chris: I'm impressed.

Other Chris: I wish I was close enough to Akinokunia to write a membership.

Chris: Right?

Travis: Yeah. Yeah, man. Uh, after we're done recording, I'll tell you about the bullshit I had to go through for sailor moon there. But, um. Yeah, the other thing I wanted to mention about death note that surprised me was the lack of twists. Yeah, there weren't none, but there were some that was like, okay, so this lady's walking away, and we think she's dead, but we didn't see her dying, so I expect her to come back and have.

Other Chris: No, no. It's like, okay, she's just gone.

Travis: This guy's really smart, and he seems to be dying here, so I bet he's fake. Nope, just dead. Uh, but, uh, if it's something that you're interested in and just want to know, like, the story, the, um, the anime seems to really condense it down in a way that I think is pretty smart. Yeah, they take a whole bunch of the crap about long diatribes about how they figured out what that guy was gonna do. Kind of just get to the point. So, yeah, it's only, like, 30 episodes instead of, you know, weeks of reading, so.

Other Chris: Right.

Travis: So anime is faster and better.

Other Chris: Anime. Yeah. There you go. Okay.

Travis: Master Shake told me the tv is faster and better. Um, so the other thing I was going to recommend, um, that I just finished yesterday, is, um, also kind of in that same sort of, like, self help mental well being type of category. It's called we need to hang out.

Other Chris: Okay.

Travis: Billy Baker. It's way less serious than any of the other stuff that I've been reading recently, but it is focused on, like, adult male friendships.

Other Chris: Yeah.

Travis: And how, you know, especially people our age can get into the thing where they're like, well, my first priority is my family, and my second priority is work, and then there's no time left for f****** anything, so.

Other Chris: Yeah. Ah.

Travis: Like, friendships kind of fall away pretty naturally at this point in our lives, especially for men.

Other Chris: Yeah.

Travis: Like, women have more or less figured it out that they're much better about keeping friendships going through, like, phone calls, and they can, you know, communicate that way and have, uh, friendly feelings towards one another.

Other Chris: Mm hmm.

Travis: Whereas men could do that, I guess, but more likely, they have to have something they're doing.

Other Chris: Yeah.

Travis: Even if that thing is nothing, they have to kind of be there and have that shoulder to shoulder type activity, so.

Other Chris: Right.

Travis: Um. So, yeah, it. He wrote an article about male loneliness for the Boston Globe and then decided he was going to try to take, um, steps to restore his friendships. And this is, like, the memoir of that.

Other Chris: I see.

Travis: So, uh, it's got some good points to make in there. Although I was a little put off because he's like, man, I was such a loser. I have no friends and stuff. And then he talks about how he made a list of, like, his 150 friends that.

Other Chris: Oh, God.

Travis: Like, all right, buddy.

Other Chris: Like, such a loser.

Travis: What a loser. Like, who could imagine having so few friends as that? Like, yeah. Talks about how that's, like, the scientific, uh, number of relationships you can even keep going. And he was, like, right at the max. So some of it came off as, like, ugh. We, uh, took our annual trip to Disney World, but we had to stay off campus this time. Like, oh, no. Cry me a river. But. But there were some good, actionable items in there, and it was, you know, more light hearted and.

Other Chris: Yeah.

Travis: Just kind of continuing on the trend of, like, making and making an effort.

Other Chris: Yeah, exactly.

Travis: To engage with people and not be like a crusty old Mandev.

Other Chris: Right.

Travis: Which I'm dealing with, which is things that have helped people reconnect, is, like, Wednesday night.

Other Chris: Mm hmm.

Travis: And it's like, we don't necessarily know what we're doing, but we're doing something. And it's every Wednesday or every other Wednesday.

Other Chris: Yep.

Travis: Or, uh, you know, um, joining a bowling club, so you have something to do. Or. He said his. The thing that seemed to work best for him and his circle of friends was they went on a treasure hunt.

Other Chris: Mm hmm.

Travis: I guess there's some poet that, like, hid potentially millions of dollars worth of gold coins somewhere and, like, wrote a poem.

Other Chris: Yeah.

Travis: You can go and find.

Other Chris: Yeah.

Travis: I forget what it's called, but I've heard of this. A quick Google would turn it up, but I'm not.

Other Chris: Yeah.

Travis: Um, and so they're, like. They decided they were all gonna go where he thought it might be in, um, outside of Yellowstone, I guess. Uh, and they all dressed up like the goonies, then just went and f****** did that. Like, we're going on a treasure hunt. Cause nothing will engage a man like, being, like, there's potentially money and we're gonna go f****** on an adventure.

Other Chris: Yeah. I mean, like Dane cook. I mean, however you feel about Dane Cook, I suppose. But he did have that whole bit about, like, how all men just kind of want to go on a heist.

Travis: Yes.

Other Chris: Yeah.

Travis: Heist. Or, like, a, um, journey on a wooden boat.

Other Chris: Yeah. Yeah, I feel like that. Especially if there's down for either of those things. Yeah.

Travis: But, yeah. Right. If we could have a stick, a cool stick, and, uh, we can maybe get some money out of it. And we have to go someplace. That's all we really need, so. Yeah, we need to hang out.

Other Chris: Need to hang out.

Travis: Yep.

Other Chris: I get it.

Travis: Yeah.

Other Chris: Anyway, yeah.

Travis: So, yeah. Uh, cool. I didn't want to stop recording until you came back, but any. Any final thoughts?

Chris: Not from me. I'm just. I'm looking forward to this read, and hopefully you all enjoy it and, you know, just. Well, we had a lot to talk about this time. Next time, I probably won't have as much. Much. That's okay.

Travis: You had f****** better enjoy it, or you're out.

Other Chris: Oh, God.

Chris: Well, hey, you know what? That'll strike in your a**.

Travis: All right, I am going to hit stop over here now, though.

Chris: Okay. I'm gonna hit stop. Um.

Travis: Okay, that was our session for today. Homework for next time, if you're reading along, is to read the first two sections of the book, Cascades and Cyclops. Extra credit. Send us your favorite bookstore that you want us to give a shout out to on an upcoming episode. You can hit us up on Facebook or Xter or Blue sky, or you can email us at, uh, contactfbpod.com for. On second thoughts today, my apologies if you are the person that I borrowed the first season of true Detective from. I know who you are. You know who you are. But I don't know if you're a listener, but if. So sorry, I have taken good care of it. I just need to get off my a** and get in touch so I can give it back one of these days, I guess. Today's episode was also listed as one of the biggest Hollywood mistakes of all time. Thanks to Chris, Chris Hamm, Chris other Chris Jacobson. It was edited by me, Travis Rowe, and was sponsored by known in particular. Until next time, keep f****** reading.

Other Chris: That is pretty great.

Travis: But yeah, um, I guess, uh, Chris was talking about it earlier about, um, like country clubs. Like, basically what he ended up finding is that one of the things that's been really successful in Australia is men's sheds.

Other Chris: Yeah.

Travis: Which are basically just buildings they put up and like, all right, men go to it.

Other Chris: Yeah. They don't like, um, go hang out there and like, yeah, just do whatever.

Travis: Just, yeah, go be there.

Other Chris: Go, go hammer on some stuff or.

Travis: Like, do whatever you want. Like build a fire, uh, do some.

Other Chris: Drinking, drink a few months.

Travis: M well, it's Australia so they're going.

Other Chris: To anyway, but yeah, they were already drunk when they got there, right? Yeah, yeah.

Travis: Just having a place.

Other Chris: Yeah.

Travis: Um.