**Please note: this transcript was automatically generated. We're working on going back over this to clear up misspellings as we have time ... but as we all know, there is precious little of that**

Other Chris: There it is.

Chris: Hey, there you go.

Travis: Do you hear us?

Chris: I do Yay.

Travis: More applauses.

Other Chris: Things happen.

Chris: Yeah.

Travis: For me, every once in a while, it's just like, oh, you wanted to play it through your internal speakers, right?

Travis: Or whatever.

Other Chris: Like, no, that aren't hooked up.

Chris: No, through the f****** motherboard beep.

Travis: It's like route it to the HDMI cable, to the monitor that has no speakers.

Travis: Good idea.

Chris: Yeah.

Chris: Perfect.

Chris: I only have twelve devices hooked up.

Travis: Hello, and welcome back to Rtfb.

Travis: This is Travis.

Travis: And today, Chris Other.

Travis: Chris and I are finishing up our discussion of The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo.

Travis: And I'll say up front, we're running a little bit longer this episode.

Travis: So quick version of the intro.

Travis: If you didn't want to be spoiled, you should have read the whole book by now.

Travis: And reminder, if you're sensitive to discussions of sexual assault, this probably isn't a good one for you.

Travis: Okay, ready?

Travis: Good.

Travis: Back to my conversation with the Chris is already in progress.

Travis: Yeah.

Chris: It's as normal as you could expect.

Other Chris: Yes.

Travis: And the good news is we finished this book, so I probably don't have to read about murder rates anytime soon.

Other Chris: Only if you want to read the other ones, maybe.

Travis: But that would be my choice.

Other Chris: Yes, I learned that Matt has all the graphic novels because they were created, but they're not easy to find anymore.

Travis: I feel like I can.

Chris: Probably because they're full of murder rape.

Other Chris: Probably.

Other Chris: But if I do want to read the other books, that is how I'm.

Travis: Going to read them.

Other Chris: Not a big tone.

Travis: They had a couple of those issues in a humble bundle not so long ago, so I probably have a PDF.

Other Chris: Yeah, probably.

Other Chris: I want to read it that way.

Other Chris: Yeah.

Travis: But I'm willing to take a break from the murder rapes for a while.

Travis: I don't know.

Other Chris: Yeah, that's kind of in my feeling, man.

Other Chris: I was like, cool, you could read the others.

Other Chris: I'm like, not right now.

Travis: Going to read something a little lighter.

Other Chris: Take a break from men who clearly hate women.

Travis: They hate them.

Chris: They hate them so bad.

Chris: Meanwhile, I'm like, yeah, let's see what these are about.

Other Chris: Yeah, I mean, that's fair.

Travis: I'm definitely interested in reading the other ones.

Travis: Just I need a break.

Travis: A little house between Steve wrote, I'd be interested in reading.

Travis: Okay, we got to the dark part, guys.

Travis: We're moving forward.

Travis: But no, they had a second heaping of darkness for us.

Other Chris: Very much so.

Travis: Oh, my God.

Other Chris: Yeah.

Travis: So I guess let's get into it.

Travis: What did you think?

Travis: Was it who you suspected?

Travis: Were you surprised?

Chris: So I wasn't surprised because I saw the movie.

Other Chris: Yeah.

Other Chris: I didn't remember these things, but it felt not surprising given the reputations were already established.

Travis: Right.

Chris: I remembered who the main guy was, but I didn't remember the details of it.

Travis: Yeah.

Other Chris: I didn't.

Other Chris: I remembered something different.

Other Chris: That must be from one of the other movies, so that's what I was assuming.

Other Chris: What the f*** is.

Other Chris: Okay, all right, cool.

Other Chris: I forgot enough.

Other Chris: I didn't remember how this ended.

Chris: That's good.

Travis: Yeah.

Travis: You got to surprise yourself again through a poor memory.

Travis: It's one of the fringes benefits.

Chris: If we wait long enough to watch the movie, you can be surprised even more.

Travis: Oh, s***.

Travis: It was that dude just like jazz.

Travis: Yeah.

Travis: I don't know if I was surprised that it turned out to be Martin, but I think I was surprised when he was like, oh, so what happened to Harriet?

Travis: I'm like, oh, yeah.

Travis: I thought there was a process earlier on, but when he was like, well, so I occasionally have guests over, right?

Travis: For my favorite pastime of murder.

Travis: Rape, apparently.

Travis: Then I figured he was going to be the killer, but no.

Other Chris: Yeah, no, not at all.

Chris: I just love how that whole thing is.

Chris: I mean, it's not incidental, but it kind of ended up being incidental.

Travis: Yeah.

Chris: They're like, find out what happened to Harriet, and he was like, oh, by the way, they murdered, like, 20 people, and we just kind of found out about it.

Chris: All right, we're trying to figure out this other one.

Travis: Your many family businesses is serial murdering.

Other Chris: I had a girl in my Chamber when you were over for dinner.

Other Chris: I'm like, of course you did.

Travis: Jesus.

Other Chris: Now that we know this about you.

Other Chris: Of course you did.

Travis: I always have to have one in the Chamber ready to go, just in case.

Other Chris: And then his whole promise of if you tell me, I'll only use the holes you were born with.

Other Chris: I'm like, Good Lord, good Lord.

Travis: You must have walked that line out.

Other Chris: Yeah, bad enough, dude.

Other Chris: Like, what the f***?

Other Chris: Come on.

Travis: Jesus.

Travis: Yeah.

Travis: That whole scene, which I'm sure we'll get to in some detail, was just a littered of casual, like, one line sentences that I would have years of therapy required just for this.

Travis: He's like, oh, yeah, that's just what we do.

Travis: It's a family business.

Other Chris: Just his part of it, though the others don't seem to quite take it that far.

Other Chris: But, yeah.

Travis: Just because it's kind of.

Other Chris: Fresh in my mind, is Rick the only good Vanger.

Travis: He was still a little bit of a D***.

Other Chris: I'm sure he was a little bit of a D***, but he's not the only good one.

Travis: And I guess Anita was okay.

Travis: Yeah, I guess so.

Travis: She helped out.

Speaker UNK: Yeah.

Travis: And forgone gave up the possibility of marrying anybody so that second cousin would never get found out.

Other Chris: Yeah, she's okay.

Travis: And Cecilia was.

Other Chris: I guess she's not really bad.

Travis: She's just not.

Travis: I guess she was not really in on what was happening.

Other Chris: No.

Travis: Or didn't know enough to do anything about it.

Travis: Or just stayed ignorant.

Travis: I don't know.

Other Chris: Right.

Chris: Anyway, by choice, perhaps some people stay ignorant by choice.

Other Chris: I don't want to invest super bad things.

Travis: How long could you live at a compound with someone who's got, like, a rape dungeon without at least suspecting?

Other Chris: I mean, if the other person is good enough at hiding it, you'll never know.

Travis: Yes.

Travis: Did have, like, a boat passage out of there, but still, you got to look out your window every once in a while.

Travis: You're like a late night boat ride.

Travis: That's interesting.

Other Chris: If he does it all the time, then it's nothing interesting at all.

Travis: Maybe not.

Travis: Maybe it's normal.

Chris: Oh, man.

Chris: That actually reminds me of one of the scenes early in the book.

Chris: They were like, oh, yeah, he's taking his boat out to the ocean.

Travis: Oh, s***.

Chris: Was he dumping a body?

Chris: Death probably.

Chris: Fantastic.

Travis: That earned you some applause from Chris.

Travis: Oh, man.

Travis: Yeah.

Travis: It does feel like the kind of thing that if you go back and reread it, you'd pick up on these things like, oh, s***.

Other Chris: Yeah.

Travis: And not over several months.

Travis: Like, we read it.

Chris: Yeah.

Travis: I was going to say, since it's kind of fresh in my mind since I just finished it.

Travis: Did you guys think that the extra stuff about Warnstrom was completely superfluous after all the murders I did?

Other Chris: To be fair, I'm like, this doesn't matter now, right?

Chris: I think that it could have been a lot shorter, the whole sort of Denu mall.

Chris: Seriously, you get through the main stuff and then like, oh, you still have another 100 some odd pages.

Other Chris: Yeah.

Chris: I guess it's important to set it up if Michael is going to be the protagonist of the whole series.

Chris: Right.

Chris: Like, you want it to be like, okay, we need to know where Millennium is going to be.

Chris: But that's like a big expectation.

Chris: I think that we're going to definitely write another book and it's going to get published and we're going to have all this.

Speaker UNK: Right.

Chris: But I don't know, it could have been covered in, like, much less, I think.

Speaker UNK: Agreed.

Travis: Yeah.

Chris: Like, he wrote a book at a cabin.

Travis: Yeah.

Chris: And they published an article and the magazine is great.

Chris: And they fired the editor.

Chris: And the end.

Travis: Then to the end.

Chris: Yeah.

Travis: It felt like he had enough material there for that to be like the next story.

Travis: The start of the next story could have gone through that.

Chris: And the only really important thing that happens, which is Elizabeth buying the gift and then seeing him with Erica and then throwing it in the f****** trash.

Travis: Yeah.

Travis: That could have been like, your cliffhanger for the next one.

Travis: Like, months later, the story had come out.

Travis: Lisbeth was doing whatever right.

Travis: What happened?

Chris: I guess it was also important to note that she f****** drained the guy's Swiss account or whatever, his Cayman Islands.

Chris: That was pretty much the money now.

Chris: Yeah.

Travis: And that would have been a great story to spend a little bit more time in it.

Travis: But, like, they were racing through, like, okay, she bought all these clothes put on these different personas, had different German accent levels.

Travis: I could have spent more than ten pages on it.

Travis: I'm saying I would have been interested overall.

Travis: What did you guys think now?

Chris: I really like the whole grim dark of it.

Travis: Yeah.

Other Chris: It's a really good read, I think.

Chris: Yes.

Other Chris: I don't usually read books of this kind of genre, but I really enjoyed it.

Other Chris: There was a lot to read of it.

Other Chris: It grabbed me even more than The Silence of the Lambs, which I really liked, too.

Chris: Yeah.

Other Chris: I would recommend it to people.

Other Chris: Just prepare yourselves.

Other Chris: It's more pages than you think, but they're not hard to read.

Chris: Yeah.

Chris: That wasn't something that bothered me.

Chris: It wouldn't be something that I would even think to warn people about.

Other Chris: Yeah, it is for me.

Chris: Yeah.

Other Chris: Because a big book can mean never gets finished because it's too much.

Chris: And.

Chris: Yeah, I think that probably among the three of us.

Chris: Anyway.

Chris: I'm the one that's least affected by the grim dark, I guess.

Chris: I don't know.

Travis: I'm willing to agree with that.

Chris: Those were all just, like, interesting details to me, I guess.

Travis: Yeah.

Travis: Like, it directly impacts I get caught up in being like, So this is what he put in to make sure people were scandalized by this book.

Travis: And then I spiral on that and be like, what the h*** is wrong with people?

Travis: They're like, I got to have this murder rape in here.

Travis: I'm not interested.

Other Chris: Or the type of story you want to hear.

Other Chris: Like, I don't know if people need it needed, but it just becomes part of it.

Travis: Right.

Travis: Sorry, you were saying?

Travis: No other Chris.

Chris: I don't remember.

Travis: Are you happy you read it?

Travis: Yeah.

Travis: Okay.

Travis: Yeah, I agree.

Travis: It turned out different than I expected, but very enjoyable.

Travis: And like, you're saying it's long, but I didn't really feel the length of it until it was like, okay, here's 100 more pages of financial reporting after the meat of the stores are like, okay, come on.

Chris: Yeah.

Travis: And that wasn't uninteresting.

Travis: I'm just like, I got to finish this because we have to record tomorrow.

Chris: Yeah.

Travis: Move it along.

Chris: I mean, it really is like 100 pages of mostly.

Chris: And he was furiously typing or like, whatever.

Speaker UNK: Yeah.

Chris: Like, come on.

Travis: Should we get into some details here?

Speaker UNK: Sure.

Travis: See how well I can read my notes in the light of day.

Travis: Okay.

Travis: So when we left the story.

Travis: Right, Elizabeth had finally joined the effort in earnest.

Travis: They were going through archives and finding pictures of people on the Children's Day parade and found some guy with a red armband in the pictures and started asking some questions.

Travis: And they were greeted with the corpse of the local cat smeared on and around their door and on her motorcycle.

Travis: So it's a great place to start from.

Travis: But that's where they were cleaning up poor Jorven and musing over.

Travis: Who could have done that?

Chris: Jordan or whatever.

Travis: To Jordan.

Travis: Yes.

Travis: Who could have done this?

Travis: Probably some sick f*** or maybe two who know that we're involved with this because it does meet the whole animal sacrifice, like the prior murders, but they're smart and thinking it's probably not the same person killing folks 50 years ago.

Travis: Like, that seems unsupportable.

Speaker UNK: Right?

Chris: It does.

Travis: She rides into town to get some fire extinguishers and whatnot, and I thought this was going to come back, but she's like, one has to be Hallian, but then, no, not important at all.

Chris: That's just good advice.

Travis: Yeah.

Travis: I guess maybe in case there was a chemical.

Travis: I don't know.

Travis: If someone tries to burn them down with f****** napalm, I don't know.

Chris: It just shows that she's very prepared.

Travis: Yeah.

Chris: Who knows?

Travis: It gets multiple fire alarms, too, right?

Travis: Smoke detectors.

Travis: Michael tells the lawyer, Froud, about what happened.

Travis: He's like, well, who knew about our latest discoveries?

Travis: Well, basically everybody.

Travis: Even Anita.

Travis: Well, s***.

Travis: Following up on a lead from last time, they go to talk to this pastor, auto folk whose personage had burned down back in the day.

Travis: He's now 72 years old and suffering from Alzheimer's.

Travis: So he still speaks of Harriet as if she might come stop by very soon, but then gets very agitated when he's asked about her religious activities.

Travis: Same things in Latin.

Travis: Got to Sola scriptam or whatever.

Other Chris: Scripture alone.

Travis: Yes.

Travis: Which I'm like, I'm going to have to ask Chris about this, but then, like, two pages later is what it means.

Other Chris: It's important to Protestants.

Travis: Yeah.

Chris: Here you go, dummy.

Chris: Basically have the expert.

Other Chris: Well, I mean, look at even in their society, like, Michael doesn't know this stuff because even though Sweden until recently had an established Lutheran Church, like, nobody in Sweden has really been religious since.

Travis: Like, the 50s or 60s.

Travis: Did you kind of talk about people being Catholic as if it was some sort of, like, basically one step away from witchcraft?

Travis: Yeah.

Other Chris: Well, I mean, the Reformation swept through Sweden pretty deeply.

Other Chris: They got really involved in their Lutheranism for a long time.

Other Chris: So old habits die out slowly.

Travis: Right.

Chris: You got to remember, too, that even here, Catholicism is like, man, what a bunch of weirdos.

Travis: Yes.

Other Chris: Growing up in St.

Other Chris: Louis and even being nominally attached to Catholicism, you're kind of unaware of that because it's such a weird of capital.

Chris: We're a pocket on the Avenue of Saints.

Chris: Right?

Chris: Like the whole part of the French territory, but like, everywhere else in the country, they're like, I mean, like, JFK being President.

Speaker UNK: Right.

Other Chris: That was a big deal.

Chris: Like a f****** Catholic in the White House.

Chris: Yeah.

Other Chris: He had to come down south and talk to the Convention of Baptists and stuff and be like, don't worry, the Pope won't tell me what to do.

Other Chris: I promise as an American that the Pope won't give me orders from Rome because people thought that they're like, oh, Pope just can tell him what to do.

Other Chris: And there goes America.

Chris: Yeah, like that's stupid.

Other Chris: But my grandma was telling me one of her aunts was convinced that the Catholic Church across the street was stockpiling weapons for an insurrection or something.

Travis: Jesus.

Other Chris: Because that's what people said back in the 1920s and 30s.

Chris: That's amazing.

Other Chris: When they didn't know Catholics very well.

Other Chris: But then the funny part is my grandma became a Catholic at 16.

Travis: I want to move the gun on this.

Chris: Yeah.

Chris: You want to be on the right side when s*** goes down.

Other Chris: She went from being a Swedish Lutheran to a Catholic.

Travis: There you go.

Other Chris: Wow.

Travis: Personal connection.

Chris: And then you've got the whole.

Chris: Back in the day, abortion was like a thing that only Catholics cared about.

Chris: And then they turned it into Baptist.

Other Chris: Things in the 80s.

Other Chris: Yeah.

Other Chris: Because in the lot of the evangelicals actually were kind of supportive of it being around on it.

Other Chris: They would use it, but because they could stick it to the Catholics.

Other Chris: But then it became more expedient to dip into some of that for political games.

Other Chris: So they put their tune and have been on the bandwagon with Catholic pro lifers ever since.

Chris: It's so weird.

Travis: Yeah.

Travis: Hey, you know who loves abortions?

Travis: Wormstrom?

Chris: Oh, man.

Chris: We'll get to that Venerstrom favorite.

Chris: Vennerstrom.

Travis: I never once wrote his name right.

Other Chris: I don't know.

Chris: That's fine.

Other Chris: I like that.

Other Chris: We called him Warnstrom.

Chris: There is a character in, like, a movie or something named Fernstrom, isn't it?

Other Chris: In Futurama?

Travis: Yeah, that's where I'm getting it from.

Other Chris: Yeah.

Travis: Like the rival scientist guy.

Chris: Yeah.

Chris: Okay.

Travis: Yeah.

Travis: So anyway, with that Latin stuff, basically just means you got to stick to the scriptures, only don't go chasing waterfalls, like with Apocryphal.

Other Chris: Don't go to Thomas Aquinas.

Other Chris: Don't do all that stuff that the Church developed for, like 1000 years before the Reformation.

Chris: Yeah, right.

Travis: Those are all written way later and are therefore wrong.

Other Chris: According to Protestants.

Other Chris: Yeah.

Other Chris: According to Catholics.

Chris: No, never mind that all of it was written later.

Travis: No.

Other Chris: Yeah, never mind.

Travis: Sorry.

Other Chris: But I will say solo scripture did help promote literacy amongst Northern European Peoples and the printing press.

Travis: There you go.

Other Chris: If you're going to do that, then everybody needs a Bible, a copy of the Bible in the language they can understand.

Travis: Good call.

Chris: Fax books, facts.

Other Chris: That's why we call read today.

Other Chris: We have literacy rates in, like, 99% type of deal.

Other Chris: Maybe not America, but other 99%.

Travis: Some countries have that, some do, most.

Other Chris: I think it's up to 95 or something.

Chris: I mean, it depends on what you consider literate.

Other Chris: By each country, too.

Other Chris: Yeah, I think.

Travis: Where was I?

Travis: Over here.

Travis: Yeah.

Travis: He basically like, she's looking for forbidden truth and is not a good Christian spiral.

Travis: I'm like forbidden truth.

Other Chris: Forbidden truth.

Travis: It's definitely true.

Travis: But you can't know it like, what the h***?

Travis: Yeah.

Travis: Anyway, stops by the Church and the lady there confirms all the Latin s*** for him.

Travis: Like we said, he's decided that priest was suggesting that Harriet had been reading the Apocryphal Gospels.

Travis: Meanwhile, text in with Dragon just to be like, Is it cool if I stay on this case?

Travis: Like, we're going to be all right?

Travis: And he just seems happy to have been asked.

Chris: It's always a good day for him.

Travis: She thinks I have human emotions, which is nice.

Chris: Yeah.

Travis: Care needs to be paid.

Travis: And she stops in to visit with her mom, who seems very anxious when she elsewhere.

Travis: Michael is reaching the end of a jog over by the fortress on the island when f****** sniper fire the f*** from out of nowhere.

Travis: I literally went back and, like, did I skip a page?

Travis: Like, what the h***?

Travis: Luckily for him, he's had army training, so he Ducks and covers an army crawls out of there.

Other Chris: There's a lot of that.

Other Chris: Yeah, it's impressive.

Travis: Once he's clear, though, he's like, up on a hilltop or something, looking around, who's even there?

Travis: Like, what the h***?

Travis: Lots of folks are out and about, but how long have they been there?

Travis: Also, he noticed that Cecilia is probably still at home, even though she has been answering his calls.

Travis: Could a woman have shot him?

Travis: When he gets back, Wisdom is back at the cabin and takes an angry shower and shapes up a huge gap in his head, which is described as flapping open.

Travis: Oh, God.

Travis: Covered in blood on one side of him, like taking a bucket.

Chris: Head wounds bleed a lot.

Other Chris: He even remarks on that.

Other Chris: They just keep bleeding.

Other Chris: They're not going to kill you.

Other Chris: But it's just like, oh, my God.

Other Chris: Yeah.

Travis: She helps him tape up.

Travis: He grabs some pictures and storms over to Celia's, bangs on her doors.

Travis: I don't care if you hate me now and I'll leave you alone forever.

Travis: But why did you open Harriet's window?

Other Chris: Right.

Travis: It shows her the picture that they found earlier.

Travis: Well, first of all, that's not me.

Travis: And second of all, you need to go to a hospital very soon.

Travis: Still trickling blood, sir.

Speaker UNK: Right?

Travis: So he does.

Travis: And Elizabeth sets up a bunch of motion detectors and alarms and stuff and cameras like this might have started his historical research, but we're clearly on someone's tail now, right?

Travis: There's a scene where Michael surveying all her tattoos in bed the next morning and re reviewing pictures.

Travis: And he notes that Gregor, who was there, and some of them also had a camera that day.

Travis: And while they're going over the case, Elizabeth is quoting Bible verses from the notebook that Harry had kept, like, from memory verbatim.

Travis: And once again, he's like, you're a wizard.

Travis: Lispathic memory, which I guess really p***** her off.

Travis: And, like, she, like, storms off.

Travis: Yeah, because she feels like a freak because she's got a photographic memory.

Chris: It probably was not handled all that well for most of her life, right?

Chris: Yeah, like, kind of the way it works I guess when you're somebody with those kind of abilities, either you're in a place where somebody notices, actually, I don't know.

Chris: Deals with you properly.

Chris: I mean, the social worker in the group can probably explain this better than I can.

Chris: But yeah.

Chris: If you have that kind of ability, either they'll treat you properly or they'll be like, explain to I don't know what this is.

Chris: She's just acting out and being awful because basically they all thought she was stupid in school because she didn't say or do anything.

Chris: Right.

Other Chris: But that doesn't mean anything like that assumption.

Chris: It's probably because she didn't need to pay attention to anything that was going on.

Other Chris: Right.

Other Chris: She could just use the test and that was it.

Chris: There's no reason for her to even be there.

Chris: There wasn't anything, like, even remotely challenging for her to do.

Travis: Except bullies on occasion.

Chris: Right.

Travis: Yeah.

Chris: And the only reason she had bullies was because she was so f****** quiet.

Chris: Right.

Other Chris: And weird.

Chris: Exactly.

Chris: So if she was in a place where, I don't know where this kind of thing wasn't treated as weird or where this kind of thing was actually handled properly.

Other Chris: They had that back whenever she was young in Sweden.

Travis: Yeah.

Other Chris: It's like Sweden was kind of behind in some of that stuff multiple times.

Travis: In this book, she's like, referred to as retarded.

Other Chris: Yeah.

Chris: Well, I think part of it is just the social situation and the fact that she was part of the system.

Chris: First of all, I don't know when it was.

Chris: I can't remember in the timeline exactly when it was that she was basically in foster care.

Chris: But that probably doesn't help the situation.

Speaker UNK: Right.

Chris: She slipped through the cracks.

Chris: I don't think that they didn't have any way to deal with this.

Chris: It's that like she was probably just going to a really s***** school.

Chris: Yeah, probably there's a lot of kids.

Other Chris: Probably slip through cracks just because their parents don't have access to diagnostic stuff and other things.

Chris: Yeah.

Other Chris: There's no funding for supports anyway.

Chris: And if you're a foster kid.

Chris: Yeah.

Chris: It really depends on who your foster family is, whether or not you're actually going to.

Other Chris: Yeah.

Other Chris: Because you could easily get stuck on those families.

Other Chris: We just house these kids to get part of their checks.

Chris: Yeah.

Chris: That's probably what happened to her is just nobody cared enough to actually figure out what was going on with her.

Other Chris: Until that advocate not the bad guy.

Travis: With the good one.

Other Chris: He's the first one really in her life that's really noticed her.

Other Chris: And seeing her for who she is.

Travis: Right next seem more like he just didn't feel like he needs to meddle in her affairs.

Travis: Like just do your thing.

Travis: Like allow to be a person he.

Other Chris: Trusted there that she was capable of taking care of her own s***, which is really important to her.

Travis: Yeah.

Travis: Well, and I wonder in this case where he finds that or notices that in comments if it wasn't like, this is something that I've never told people about before, and I'm not used to giving up secrets like that anyway.

Chris: Well, I mean, it's that way for a reason, I guess.

Chris: You learn not to tell people.

Travis: Yeah, right.

Other Chris: It becomes a way to protect yourself.

Travis: I got you.

Travis: So anyway, she storms off, but he finds her in the Marina, apologize.

Travis: He's like, Actually, I'm really jealous.

Travis: I wish I could do that.

Travis: And I want to be your friend and all that stuff.

Other Chris: Right?

Chris: Everyone says that.

Travis: Yeah.

Travis: Says that constantly.

Travis: Let's say it's go to catchphrase.

Travis: Let's be friends.

Other Chris: I mean, he does want to be friends.

Travis: So they're walking back together, and they noticed a Chapel in the graveyard.

Travis: But no, it's not a Chapel.

Travis: It's a crypt.

Travis: Family crypt with more Latin that I didn't rent down, but that she remembers.

Chris: Yeah, she knew because here, have it, dummy.

Chris: Don't go look it up on your own.

Travis: Don't do it.

Other Chris: Right.

Travis: So they have that thing opened up.

Travis: And yes, the leftovers of the sacrifice of poor Shorevan is in there.

Other Chris: I know.

Travis: They make a note of a blowtorch being used for the burnt offering part.

Travis: Yeah, they agree.

Travis: Clearly dealing with a sick f***.

Travis: Anyone else would have just done this in, like, their garage or something instead of in a family crypt.

Travis: That's Brian.

Travis: So they split up.

Travis: She decides to go off and set her memory trick against the company archives.

Travis: And he goes to look for more pictures from Gregor's son Alexander, which features some group shots with Nazis, which is terrible.

Chris: Yeah.

Chris: I mean, it's not a surprise at this point, right?

Travis: We knew about this already.

Travis: But he's also led into Heinrich's Photo archive and find some pictures of the day Harriet disappeared before they realized she was gone.

Travis: And there next to Cecilia, there's another woman with blonde hair and light dress, Anita, who's not actually her twin, but could be they look so g****** the same.

Chris: Yeah.

Travis: And then another picture from the first search, and he notices that the guy from the Red Ribbon Army was there.

Travis: He's like, who is this guy?

Travis: The Secretary is like, yes, that's Martin.

Speaker UNK: Wow.

Travis: Note that Martin had been in Upsala in 1966 at prep school where Lena Anderson, a 16 year old prep student, had been killed.

Travis: And though Heinrich didn't suspect Martin at all in the disappearance, he now had photo evidence of him being on the island that day.

Travis: So the same time listed as Johnny fiveing through the company's archives, noting that they have a company or the company has a factory or an office near every one of the murder sites.

Travis: Interesting.

Travis: And actually, one of the ladies that was murdered, Raquel, whoever worked for them part time as, like, a cleaning lady, actually got this Gottfried guy who is Martin's dad, seems to have been close to five of the eight murders.

Chris: So probably coincidence yeah, it doesn't mean anything.

Travis: It's all circumstantial.

Travis: Yeah, they have offices everywhere.

Travis: Should it be one or two murders?

Travis: But they talked about how Godfrey had been being groomed to be the new leader of the company before he started drinking really heavily and then was afterwards demoted to traveling fixer for the company.

Travis: Like, someone they send in to be like, oh, we really care so much because we're sending one of our own sons.

Chris: Just a guy to, like, shake hands and make notes.

Travis: Yeah, one of the Vanguard in person.

Travis: So she stays late to keep researching.

Travis: While Michael sees Martin come back home late at night, he's like, I know I'm making a mistake here, but I'm going to go pay him a visit.

Travis: Yeah.

Travis: And I'm sure he regretted it for the rest of the book.

Chris: If not, I'm sure he regretted it for a very long time.

Chris: Yeah, I don't think that's the kind of thing that you look back on in your life and be like, that was an experience.

Travis: You're drinking with the guys one night.

Travis: I've got a story for you all.

Chris: Yeah.

Chris: Certain bad things happen to you, and you're like, I'm sure we'll all laugh about this later.

Other Chris: Yeah, totally.

Chris: No, this really isn't one of those things.

Travis: You think you have an aggressive ex.

Travis: Let me tell you about this one guy.

Travis: So he checks again with Elizabeth.

Travis: He tries to call her, but no answer.

Travis: So he sneaks into the garage making note of an open box of Moose rifle ammo.

Travis: He's like, oh, s***, right.

Travis: Meanwhile, Martin from the dark is like, well, I saw you coming up the road with gun in hand.

Travis: Michael is like, well, I just have lots of questions.

Travis: Like, sure you do, buddy.

Travis: Come on down to the basement with me and let's chat.

Chris: Yep.

Travis: And we were introduced to our second torture Chamber of this book, and wherein Michael receives many kicks to the boy zone and is strapped down to the floor and padlock there.

Travis: Yeah, man, why don't you just go back?

Travis: We could have made Millennium so good.

Travis: Oh, great.

Travis: Is that offer still on the table?

Chris: Concerned about it.

Travis: Changed my answer, right?

Travis: Martin is asking, who else knows about it?

Travis: He's laughing, saying that Elizabeth probably figured everything out, and they have backups of everything everywhere.

Chris: Yeah.

Travis: It's like, I'm willing to bet you're lying.

Chris: It would be nice if in the next book, like, that comes up and they're like, hey, we should make backups and put them everywhere just in case we get stuck in some kind of a torture dungeon.

Chris: Right?

Other Chris: I need a future here.

Travis: It did happen twice to both of them independently.

Travis: So you got to set, like, learn from the past.

Travis: Tortured gun loans are out there, and they're going to get you.

Chris: They are.

Travis: Anyway.

Travis: He's like, I'm going to bet you're bluffing.

Travis: And even if not, it's all over anyways.

Travis: Plus, I know your girlfriend's at the archives, and the night watchman's going to call me as soon as she leaves.

Other Chris: Yeah.

Chris: Putting an awful lot of trust in that guy.

Other Chris: I know, right?

Other Chris: How do you know for sure?

Travis: Probably watching Pornhub, Martine.

Travis: Anyway, part four, hostile takeover are fun fact for this.

Travis: Section 92% of women in Sweden who have been subjected to sexual assault have not reported the most recent violence to the police.

Chris: And we have evidence upcoming, the most.

Travis: Recent suggesting that maybe prior violence was reported.

Travis: And since nothing happened, they stopped trying.

Other Chris: Yes.

Travis: Part four, Martin is doing the villain monologue thing.

Chris: Yeah.

Travis: As we were talking about in the pre chat, why would you do all this murder stuff?

Travis: He's like, well, it's just so easy.

Travis: No one misses a random woman.

Chris: This whole thing is the murder is just like the fringe benefit.

Chris: He has to kill him.

Travis: Otherwise that's like, clean up.

Speaker UNK: Yeah.

Travis: It's not the murder so much as.

Chris: The raping, the kidnapping and the raping.

Travis: Yeah.

Travis: The thing frame really is the kidnapping.

Travis: But he does quote himself, quoting him, saying, I'm more of a serial rapist than a murderer.

Travis: That's better.

Travis: I'm a serial rapist first and a murderer second.

Chris: It's important to him that you get it, right.

Travis: Yes.

Chris: Right.

Chris: Yeah.

Travis: Talk to him.

Chris: He doesn't want to be misunderstood.

Travis: Yeah.

Travis: He has psychoanalyzed himself enough to know that really it is the hunting down of his victims that he really likes.

Travis: And, yeah, in fact, he had a guest over when they were eating unpleasant dinner last winter together.

Travis: And now nights in Tunisia will never be the same for me.

Travis: I did like the note.

Travis: Chilling note he had is like, after all, the raping like, people are always so disappointed when they realize that I'm going to murder them still.

Other Chris: Yeah.

Travis: But then they have a smoke together, so they're buds.

Chris: It's all good.

Travis: Yeah.

Travis: Meanwhile, Elizabeth has also discovered that Martin is the man with the red Arm band, thanks to a picture of a ski retreat in the company newsletter, which they noted was run by an independent marketing firm.

Travis: So no one knew that his picture.

Other Chris: Was going to be in there.

Travis: I guess.

Travis: So she's getting ready to leave.

Travis: She's like, oh, s***.

Travis: I was supposed to tell that white night watchman I was way over there.

Travis: Well, who cares?

Chris: Yeah, f*** it.

Chris: We'll figure it out.

Other Chris: Yeah.

Travis: Notice there's a bunch of missed calls from Michael and no response.

Travis: When he calls, she calls him back or at the cabin.

Travis: So she checks all the security Cambridge and gets an ice cold feeling in her gut.

Travis: Meanwhile, Martin's still very chatty.

Travis: Once again, he's like, So why do you kill Martin?

Travis: He's like, well, first of all, there are literally dozens of us, so get that right.

Travis: Second of all, why not?

Travis: People are just a bag of nerve endings and s***.

Travis: Why not kill him?

Chris: Yeah.

Chris: So is there some kind of, like, murder club.

Chris: Is that why he knows that there are dozens probably like it.

Travis: They have a subreddit, I bet.

Chris: Oh, man.

Travis: It's like, what chains do you use in your murder Dungeons?

Chris: Oh, man.

Chris: Speaking of that.

Chris: No, I can't remember exactly what it was.

Chris: I think it might have been like, an H on forum that was like, I'm already terrified.

Chris: Yeah.

Chris: I can't remember the context of it, where I found out about this, but it was some date line show or something, probably where, like, somebody was suspected of kidnapping and murder or whatever, and they traced it back to kidnap and murder, like, fetish group.

Chris: Okay.

Chris: But the thing is, the dude I think was actually totally innocent.

Chris: Like, he really was just like a kidnap and murder fetishist.

Chris: And so the entire board was people talking about fiction of kidnapping and murders.

Chris: I guess there is like, a kidnapping murder club in some sense, right?

Travis: Obviously, some people think about it.

Travis: And I'm sure Steve's search history was kind of interesting after he wrote this book, but.

Travis: Oh, man, I expected people being like, so do you do just the noose or the noose and the leather strap, which is better?

Chris: And that was the thing that got them, I guess, about this group was that they really did talk about it as though they were doing it, all of them.

Chris: It was like a role play.

Travis: Yeah.

Chris: And so, yeah, it did come across as, like, people asking each other for advice sometimes.

Travis: Oh, man.

Other Chris: Oh, boy.

Chris: Yeah.

Chris: Anyway, real life example life connection, right?

Travis: Yeah.

Chris: So go find that for hang out.

Travis: Switch over to incognito mode.

Chris: First advice, use somebody else's computer.

Other Chris: Even better.

Chris: Maybe go to the public library for that one.

Other Chris: They filter that stuff out.

Travis: You can get around it.

Chris: I feel like that's not a very library thing to do.

Other Chris: For private library searches.

Other Chris: I can't look up Pornhub.

Travis: Some of them.

Chris: Yeah, but this isn't pornography.

Other Chris: Well, that's true.

Other Chris: It might not do anything about it then, because it's like, oh, you're just on Reddit.

Other Chris: We don't really know what you're doing.

Chris: Yeah.

Chris: They just don't want you masturbating in the library.

Other Chris: Right.

Other Chris: Because there's no private place for that.

Travis: The knowledge is fine.

Travis: It's the axe that they can't support.

Chris: Yeah.

Chris: There you go.

Travis: Wow.

Chris: Anyway.

Travis: So, yeah, he's chitchatting about how murder is great.

Travis: He's like, but anyway, so what happened to Harriet Martin asks.

Travis: I was like, wait, didn't you kill her?

Travis: I'm like, no, man.

Travis: We tried.

Travis: Like, we were going to get her in the club, and she was like, So I wanted to kill her, but then I didn't get to.

Travis: Anyway, time to get you nice and strangled before I kill your girlfriend.

Travis: But as he's setting up for that, he's like, you know, aside from my dad never had a blood before.

Travis: I wonder, he says while tightening a leather strap around his neck with the noose underneath, leans into kiss him over his shoulder, lifts, hey, I'm the only one who gets to strangle kiss this guy.

Chris: Smashing the face for the golf club, right?

Travis: Beat the s*** out of him, kicks the gun away and whatnot?

Travis: Grabs a knife, saws the strap and noose off of Michael.

Travis: Martin limps away.

Travis: Elizabeth tosses Michael the keys to the handcuffs, grabs the gun, gives chase, which lasts about a page.

Travis: Just long enough for her to get on the motorcycle and him to crash into a semi and f****** explode.

Travis: Yeah, well, he's dead.

Travis: Moving on.

Travis: So back at Martin's place, she comes back.

Travis: He's still trying to get out of the handcuffs.

Travis: Like, we got to call the police.

Travis: Like, why?

Speaker UNK: Yup.

Travis: Why would you ever do that?

Travis: She wipes the scene of fingerprints and everything and replaces her golf club, takes them back to their cabin.

Travis: If anyone asks, we are out here just to have sex, okay?

Travis: It's my shower.

Travis: Dresses his wounds and his bruises still.

Travis: Like, we got to call the cops.

Travis: Like, if you keep nagging me, I'm going to put you right back in that torture Chamber, buddy.

Travis: See?

Other Chris: They did that.

Other Chris: There you go.

Travis: At least I didn't.

Travis: He passes out.

Travis: She goes back and snoops around, gathers some evidence from his place.

Travis: Finds binders full of women.

Travis: Video evidence.

Chris: Sorry, I can't.

Chris: Binder is full.

Chris: G******, you.

Travis: A literal binder full of women.

Travis: I'm just saying.

Chris: Right.

Travis: Plus, you find a couple of Polaroids of a naked girl who seems unpleased to be in the pictures.

Chris: I would say that's probably most Polaroids of naked girls.

Travis: Yeah.

Travis: The rare one with a willing participant.

Chris: Yeah.

Travis: So she Burns the binders and throws his laptop into the ocean.

Travis: Broad pays them a visit.

Travis: The next morning, he's like, hey, Martin's Dench.

Travis: Like, Yup, that's pretty sad anyway.

Other Chris: Yep.

Other Chris: So.

Other Chris: Well, not too bad.

Travis: She fills him in on everything that happened, and it's like, listen, it's up to you what you do with this info, but as far as you're concerned, me and Michael had nothing to do with it.

Travis: So go do whatever you guys do.

Travis: I'm sorry?

Travis: Go do whatever you chaps do whenever your CEO dies.

Chris: Chaps Chappee.

Travis: Yeah.

Travis: Later on, when Michael's conscious again, they compare notes, essentially surmising that Godfrey had probably raped both of his children, that Martin had carried on with the abuse after his dad died.

Travis: Michael was like, man, that poor kid never had a chance with all that kind of abuse.

Travis: Of course, he became a murder rapist.

Travis: And this is like, yeah, f*** that.

Speaker UNK: Yeah.

Travis: Could have done literally anything else.

Travis: You didn't have to do that.

Other Chris: Yeah, exactly.

Other Chris: We understand why you could go that way and what happened to you, but it doesn't mean that you still need to keep it going.

Travis: Yeah, it seems to be her theme.

Travis: People can have abuse and choose not to be shitheads.

Travis: Yes, that is possible.

Travis: But they stop in with Heinrich who's on the path to recovery after his heart attack, telling them they got one last thing to figure out, but warning him that the truth is probably going to be very painful.

Other Chris: Yeah.

Chris: All right.

Travis: So they hop to London, meet up with some guys with code names like Plague and Wasp is her, right?

Travis: And Trinity talking about some telephone monitoring.

Travis: Meanwhile, Michael pays a visit to Anita.

Travis: Listen, I know you know about Harriet.

Travis: You were her closest friend.

Travis: You stayed away for Barton because she told you about all the merger stuff.

Travis: So what happened?

Travis: She tells him to get the f*** out, and the first thing she does is make a call to Australia, which the code name guys listen in on because they had wiretapped her.

Travis: So talking to some chick, this reporter knows something like, listen, you should be sending me a letter, not talking on the phone.

Travis: So she's wise.

Travis: Michael gets a ticket to Melbourne, but Elizabeth can't attend because he's just received word that her mother has died.

Speaker UNK: Yeah.

Travis: He offers to come back with her, and she's like, no, can't screw this job up.

Travis: Now, you got to go.

Travis: Got it, got it.

Travis: So he flies to Australia and rents a car and makes his way out to a very profitable sheep Ranch run by an Anita Cochrane.

Travis: It's a very Tan, muscular guy to take him to meet Anita.

Travis: She's 18 miles over there, Jeff.

Travis: Jeff.

Travis: And upon meeting her, he greets her in suites by saying, Hello, Harriet.

Travis: What?

Travis: But her name's Anita to Harriet.

Travis: She speaks Australian.

Chris: By the way.

Chris: I just want to throw this out there because it makes me giggle.

Chris: So my sister's family lives in Australia, and she's married to a Swedish guy.

Chris: And as a joke, I have heard him speak Swedish with an Australian accent, and it's f****** hilarious.

Chris: Anyway, I can only imagine.

Other Chris: That is great.

Chris: Yeah, it's really great.

Travis: Anyway, they did have a note about Jeff being like, this guy is clearly not from here because the way he speaks s***** English.

Other Chris: But.

Travis: Anyway, Anita Harris, do I know you?

Travis: He's like, yeah, he used to babysit me when I was three.

Other Chris: Yeah.

Travis: So they chat and confirmed suspicions that she had indeed gotten her, I guess, second cousin, second aunt.

Travis: I don't know.

Chris: Great aunt, whatever.

Speaker UNK: Yeah.

Chris: Don't worry about it.

Travis: To smuggle her off of the island when Martin had returned, even giving her her passport to help her escape to Italy, where she met a Spencer Cochrane, who she married and then moved to Australia with.

Travis: Like, no one was the wiser, because real Anita never got married, so they never had to register a second marriage with the Swedish authorities.

Speaker UNK: Right?

Travis: So they just assumed that she was the estranged Anita living in Sweden, in London, and the other Anita was leaving in Australia.

Travis: He's like, So why didn't you just go tell Heinrich about it?

Travis: Surely he would have done something like, you don't understand.

Travis: I couldn't tell him because of the crime, but I guess I should tell everything about it now.

Travis: So it tells a very upsetting story of a rape committed on her by her dad.

Travis: But she escaped his cabin to the waterfront, and when he pursued, she shoved him in the water and held him down with an Ore.

Other Chris: He deserves it.

Travis: Yeah, that's what I kind of suspect.

Travis: It might have happened back when she talked about him drowning originally, but that's confirmed.

Travis: But anyway, the wrinkle to the story is that Martin saw the whole thing and quite literally steps in immediately afterward to take over his dad's job.

Travis: It's my note.

Travis: Jesus Christ.

Travis: It's my one note there.

Chris: Jesus Christ.

Travis: So anyway, Isabella or maybe Heinrich only stops things by sending Martin off to boarding school.

Travis: I guess we get the impression that Isabella probably knew what was going on.

Chris: She definitely did.

Travis: Didn't want to do anything dramatic, just send them away and forget about it.

Chris: Yeah, she's an avoidant type.

Travis: Yeah, she's a vampire.

Travis: But then when she saw him back at the parade, she realized she had to go.

Travis: I did like the note.

Travis: He's like, oh, so you just hidden the trunk, right?

Travis: And she drove me off the other.

Travis: She's like, no, I was in the backseat.

Travis: No one was watching.

Travis: Lay on her blanket.

Travis: No one even questioned me.

Travis: Yeah, it's very easy to escape back in Sweden, Michael drives Elizabeth to her mother's funeral.

Travis: Dragon makes an appearance, but doesn't say anything.

Travis: Or Lisbeth doesn't say anything until they're driving back north to pick up her motorcycle.

Travis: Upon hearing all of Harriet's story, she uplines.

Travis: What a b****.

Travis: Coming back in the 60s, Martin wouldn't have murdered so many people, right?

Travis: Once again, no sympathy from her.

Speaker UNK: None.

Travis: Do something.

Chris: Yeah, she got opinions, man.

Travis: She really does.

Travis: I can murder somebody back soaking someone else.

Travis: Let's go.

Chris: Yeah.

Chris: She is very judgmental about people who lack agency.

Travis: Yeah, for themselves.

Travis: Listen, in my experience, if someone rapes you, you rape them back.

Travis: Like, Come on, we have a confrontation back at the cabin once she finds out he's staying the night there.

Travis: And she's like, do you want me to be there, too?

Travis: Just so you have somebody to sleep with.

Travis: He's like, Listen, I want to be your friend, but if you don't want that, then don't come back when I get back.

Travis: So stop sending with Heinrich, who's been told about Martin and Godfrey.

Travis: He's like, oh, so how did Harriet die?

Travis: He was like, well, she didn't.

Travis: And she's also here.

Travis: Can be here in an hour if you want to see her.

Travis: It was her sending you the flowers, you idiot.

Chris: I was trying to let him know.

Other Chris: That I was alive.

Travis: Yeah.

Travis: Strange how the only person who ever sent her in flowers was still the same person sending him flowers.

Travis: Crazy, right?

Travis: So, yeah, they reunite, and even Isabella comes in yelling at Heinrich to stop searching for ghosts, not recognizing Harriet until she says hello to her.

Travis: And now accusing Michael of hiring her as an imposter.

Other Chris: That's what would happen.

Travis: Yes, Elizabeth does decide to come back, have them gone as far as Upsola before deciding she wasn't really angry at Michael after all.

Travis: And they chat about the definition of friendship.

Travis: He's like, well, I do like having sex on you.

Other Chris: Just to switch.

Travis: I was like, yeah, friends can have sex, but you shouldn't have sex with people you work with.

Travis: Like, buddy, didn't you sleep with that married lady?

Travis: Like, every chance?

Other Chris: Well, that's different.

Other Chris: We were friends from a long time ago.

Travis: That's right.

Travis: I'm showering and getting into your bed naked.

Travis: You do what you need to do next day.

Travis: Like, the whole Vanguard clan is in town talking about what's going to go on now that Martin's dead and Harriet's alive.

Travis: What's happened to the inheritance?

Travis: And I don't know, is she going to be the new CEO?

Travis: She's been running a really good business down in Australia, apparently.

Speaker UNK: Right.

Travis: Plus, Jeff can step in for her.

Travis: Yeah, he's a good mate.

Chris: Yeah, I love the off hand thing about, like, Jeff.

Chris: He's just like that Tan muscley dude.

Chris: He's got degrees in economics and he went to law, right?

Speaker UNK: Yes.

Travis: No one muscley.

Travis: And Tan can be smart.

Travis: Yeah, clearly not lawyers.

Travis: Like, Heinrich sent you this letter, and he wants you to not publish that book.

Travis: Now.

Travis: I keep I was looking Nazis.

Travis: Not like all this murder dungeon.

Speaker UNK: Yeah.

Travis: What about me?

Travis: I'm not under contract.

Travis: I can go out with all the stuff.

Travis: With all this video evidence.

Travis: I still have all that getting out.

Travis: So to get them to agree that they'll attempt to identify the women in the videos and give their family some compensation and make an annual 2 million Kroner donation forever to the women's and girls crisis centers in Sweden.

Travis: Yeah, that's pretty nice.

Chris: Problem solved.

Travis: Blood money paid.

Travis: But Michael also agrees to keep quiet, but suggest that they shove their offer to compensate him right up their arses.

Travis: Yeah, he's like, also bad news on that stuff we had about Hornstrom.

Travis: It's all true, but it's like, from 30 years ago, so you can't really negate it.

Chris: And also, it's just small potatoes.

Chris: It's all bullshit.

Travis: Yeah, it's like speculation and money mismanagement at best, but, yeah, he's p*****.

Travis: But Elizabeth wakes him up at 02:30 A.m.

Travis: That next morning.

Travis: Like, hey, so what was the deal with wordstrom, anyway?

Travis: Like, this is where I wrote.

Travis: I kind of don't care anymore.

Travis: Like, we talked about this, but the murder stuff is solved, so who cares?

Other Chris: Yeah, not important.

Travis: She's like, why didn't you defend yourself back then during the libel trial?

Travis: Like, long story short, we published a story, then got another lead, but it turned out to all have been a lie.

Travis: So if we published that, they would have had us in a trap.

Travis: Basically an on passant defense trick us into making look like we could publish s***** information.

Travis: She was like, oh, yeah, well, that guy is a gangster.

Travis: He's like, yeah, I know.

Travis: He sucks.

Travis: No, I mean, he's a literal gangster.

Travis: Like, I hacked his computer.

Chris: Okay?

Travis: All 5GB of his hard drive, five.

Other Chris: There you go.

Chris: 5Gb.

Chris: Amazing.

Travis: How many CDs did say she burned that onto?

Travis: Like, four.

Chris: Said it was like six CDs worth.

Chris: So not even 5GB crazy.

Chris: Yeah.

Travis: So anyway, she explains how Plague had helped her set up, like, a program, like a cuff that slowly and surely replicated his hard drive into their server, which is his for the real one in a hostile takeover in HT.

Travis: So they called in the biz.

Chris: Yeah.

Chris: Don't take that with a grain of salt.

Travis: Yeah, I don't know if that checks out, but if he was looking at p***, like station tested, he definitely has worse viruses.

Chris: They simulate his hard drive magic technology.

Travis: Every time he clicks a mouse, it downs a little bit of data so he doesn't notice.

Chris: Yeah, that is not how any of that works.

Travis: Send them an email.

Travis: Like, click on this for a million dollars.

Travis: Okay.

Other Chris: Why would he lie to me if.

Chris: He'S stupid enough to keep one computer and keep everything on there even after.

Travis: He'S been hacked and exposed?

Chris: He's dumb enough to click the f****** link in the email for sure.

Chris: There are easier ways to do this.

Travis: Send them and only fans invite it's.

Travis: Fine.

Other Chris: Solve all your problems.

Travis: It will be.

Chris: Yeah.

Chris: Like, all of the technology stuff.

Chris: Like, I was okay with until this f****** thing.

Chris: What are you talking about?

Travis: Who did he research this with?

Travis: Is what I want to know.

Chris: Yeah, he should have asked somebody at this point, how would you go about doing this?

Chris: Unless it was like a fight club style thing where they're like, oh, we need to talk about, like, we need to say Orange juice so that people don't actually go and make napalm.

Chris: Yeah, but I don't think most people would have the technical skill anyway.

Chris: If you describe the entire process, it.

Travis: Doesn'T mean you can program it.

Chris: Yeah, but like, man.

Travis: Basically, it's like, we've screen shared with him.

Travis: We OCR his screen, scraped all the data.

Travis: So it's insane.

Chris: I mean, that's all they needed to do, though, is they could have just said, like, oh, well, he had stupid ports open on his laptop because he wanted to be able to work from home or something.

Chris: And RDP is not exactly secure.

Chris: So they could have just said, oh, he left the default password on his RDP like an idiot.

Travis: And that would have fit his character perfectly.

Chris: Yeah, we literally just walked in the front door.

Travis: His password was financial malfeasance, and we got it.

Chris: His password was f****** password.

Chris: Yeah.

Chris: They didn't even need to.

Travis: Yeah, it's in the section of the book where I'm like, could we move on with this?

Chris: Yeah.

Chris: I think they just wanted to make it fancy, but they didn't need to make it fancy.

Chris: Hacker brother in the process of making it fancy.

Chris: They just made it wrong.

Travis: Right.

Travis: Quite right.

Travis: So anyway, someone named Malm, who.

Travis: I don't remember who that is from Millennium calls at 03:00 A.m.

Travis: To report that Dalman.

Travis: We also don't remember, I guess, is like the accountant or editor.

Chris: Mom was the graphic designer.

Travis: Okay.

Chris: Artist.

Travis: Okay.

Travis: Is he one of the partners?

Chris: Yeah, it was him and Michael and Eric who was.

Travis: Christor.

Chris: That was Malam.

Travis: Okay.

Travis: Christopher Malm got you.

Chris: Yes.

Travis: People in there.

Travis: Two names.

Chris: Right?

Travis: So, yeah.

Travis: Reports that Dalman had been spotted on holiday meeting with a reporter from Wornstrom's magazine.

Chris: F****** Dolman.

Travis: So they do the rational thing and they hack his computer and get into a personal Hotmail account.

Travis: He'd be using the leak info about Millennium and get everyone else in the office to discuss a grand conspiracy to trick words from thinking that they were failing before they published a news story about him.

Travis: It's a three point plan.

Travis: No email.

Travis: Start b******* disinformation.

Chris: I like this plan.

Travis: And also, I'm not going to talk to Erica as long as possible.

Travis: Basically be too ashamed as a reporter after covering up all the murders and stuff.

Travis: Yeah, I think she won't take kindly to that.

Speaker UNK: Yeah.

Travis: So he retreats to a cabin to write and write unless visits him on a kind of holiday for her, delivering new CDs of wardstrom's, additional hard drive stuff, and, you know, to distract him.

Chris: Yep.

Travis: With her genitals.

Travis: Yes.

Travis: Many emails go between him and Erica.

Chris: Which we needed to read all of them.

Travis: And I loved that they included the subject lines.

Travis: Made me feel very involved.

Travis: I was reading it myself.

Travis: And his Gmail.

Speaker UNK: Right.

Travis: December issue is going to be lit.

Travis: Also, set up a publishing company and get an ESBN, because this is going to be crazy.

Travis: Harriet takes over for Martin and Millennials board meets with Erica, but no one has told her the story yet.

Travis: And Michael is pretty keen on let her tell you about her family's murder history.

Travis: Elizabeth has been at the cabin the whole time, but not really interested in anything on the Wormstream case until Michael tells her a story about when he got a 20 year old waitress pregnant and then had some thug rough her up and try to waterboard her until she agreed to have an abortion.

Travis: I was like, no, another man who hates women.

Chris: Bunch of f****** bullshit.

Speaker UNK: Yeah.

Travis: She makes a decision.

Speaker UNK: Yeah.

Travis: But then once his story is done, he checks with Lizbeth again.

Travis: Is it cool if I let Erica know that you're my source?

Travis: We won't tell anybody.

Travis: She's like, well, all right.

Travis: His article over 5 hours.

Travis: Unless they talk about all the hacking, but not really about the murders.

Travis: Just.

Travis: Only that he wants Harriet to tell her and that Elizabeth had saved his life.

Travis: And Erica responds by giving her a big hug.

Travis: She's like, that's fun.

Speaker UNK: Yeah.

Travis: Not like it.

Chris: Get off of me.

Travis: Do not touch me.

Travis: Elizabeth decides to keep tabs on Michael after everything comes out.

Travis: Like stealing more than a little protective of him since she rescued him.

Chris: Yeah.

Travis: She's her practical pig, which I'm like what I can find talking about practical pig from the cartoon.

Travis: Like, the one pig that was smart.

Travis: I don't know.

Travis: I didn't get it.

Speaker UNK: Yes.

Chris: I didn't get that either.

Travis: Yes.

Travis: She warned him.

Travis: And Erica that Warnstrom is trying to get an advanced copy of their article, probably from a new printer, and might hire some more thugs to rough them up.

Travis: Later, she meets with him.

Travis: I need a loan for 120,000 Kroner.

Travis: You've got 140,000 in your account right now.

Travis: And so I know you can cover me.

Travis: I'll give you some of the money from I'm getting from Heinrich.

Travis: Like.

Travis: No, not even asking how much it would be.

Travis: Yeah.

Travis: She takes his loan, plus her own savings and finances, some fake passports and a trip to Zurich.

Travis: With the help of many wigs and outfits, hostile takeover programs, and her photographic memory, she assumes two new identities to both withdraw.

Travis: Something like, what was it, 250,000,000,000 Kroner?

Travis: I think we find later.

Chris: It was a great deal of money.

Travis: Yes.

Travis: From one special account that had always had a little bit of money trickling in, no matter what.

Chris: From wormstrom, Superman, three style.

Travis: Yes.

Travis: And then she redeposited them into at least dozens of new accounts all over the world, including Lost Enterprises, by the way.

Chris: Well, that's where they ultimately ended up.

Travis: Yeah.

Travis: And if I did mistake this, they ultimately funneled a lot of money out of one secret account in the Caymans.

Travis: Into another secret account also in the Caymans.

Chris: Yeah.

Speaker UNK: Places.

Chris: It'S money laundering.

Speaker UNK: Yeah.

Chris: The basic story is that she took the money out in bonds, which don't have anything on them.

Chris: Right.

Chris: Like, they're just.

Chris: This is essentially paper money.

Speaker UNK: Yeah.

Chris: Right.

Chris: And then she walked over to another bank as another person with those bonds and put them in different accounts and then over the Internet, like, transferred the money from those different accounts to some other accounts.

Travis: Right.

Chris: So basically the first transaction and the second transaction, unless you could physically connect them, like, there's no way to know that they actually are the same thing.

Travis: Yeah.

Travis: These are the kind of banks to talk about their transactions.

Chris: No, they're not.

Chris: So basically, somebody would have to refer to the security footage to be able to figure out that that was the same person.

Travis: And she looked different.

Chris: She went to great lengths to make sure that she was not the same person at both banks.

Chris: But.

Chris: Yeah.

Chris: The only thing then would be, like, if somebody looked at Wasp Enterprises or whatever it was, where the money ultimately ended up and said, like, hey, where did this money come from?

Chris: If nobody looks too closely at that, it's not going to matter.

Chris: Right.

Chris: And she didn't put it all in at once.

Chris: Like, she left it other places so she could do it, like a little bit at a time later on.

Chris: Right.

Chris: So, yeah, money laundering.

Travis: Yeah.

Travis: And she had automated processes to initiate calls on computers and stuff.

Travis: So different computers.

Chris: So it would look like she's behind stuff was happening somewhere else.

Travis: Yes.

Travis: She's behind like three different VPNs.

Travis: Like, you'll never find her.

Chris: Yeah.

Chris: And I mean, s***, like that was even easier back then, right.

Chris: She probably didn't need to go through.

Travis: That much trouble, but she's methodical.

Chris: Yeah.

Chris: So, yeah, steal all that money, steal.

Travis: It, put it to better use.

Travis: Yeah.

Travis: So anyway, epilogue, final offer.

Travis: So, yeah, the wormstrom story comes out like a time bomb, though the news is hesitant at first to pick it up because of that whole libel case last year.

Travis: Once this program, she picked up on it and people started checking on some of the claims.

Travis: Like she hits the fan.

Chris: Yes.

Travis: Not to mention the 600 page book he put out detailing the whole thing with actual evidence, like emails he stole from them.

Chris: I like the fact that, like, like they said that the book was like two thirds appendices.

Travis: Yeah.

Chris: So they basically just published the dude's f****** hard drive as a book.

Travis: And they also mentioned that some of his writing wasn't so good, but there had been time to revise.

Travis: But yeah, no one reveals the source of all the info.

Travis: People assume it's maybe warnstrom's Cocreaticity daughter.

Other Chris: Yes.

Travis: Or maybe some disgruntled employee, but they also assume that make up a story that Blancos had decided not to defend his case back then so they didn't have to reveal his secret source.

Travis: So he's a hero.

Other Chris: Yeah, right.

Other Chris: Yeah.

Chris: People just read between the lines.

Travis: Yeah, I like that they threw in there.

Travis: That an interview that he had some news program about stock market is plummeting, but the economy is still fine, guys.

Travis: Stock market is all smoke and mirrors, but our economy that makes our actual country is just fine.

Travis: All the good hardworking people.

Travis: Sweeten.

Travis: It's patriotic to invent your country, he says.

Travis: But criminal investigations are started, like pulling his story apart and uncovering all sorts of terrible s*** like arms dealing and money laundering and prostitution and child sex trade and attempted purchase of enriched uranium.

Travis: Even has a side note about seeing his Pokemon trainer rival board from back in the beginning.

Travis: I'm going to turn Lispath on him, maybe.

Chris: Yeah.

Travis: Just for Forum's sake.

Travis: But we're in stream flees the country before the authorities can formally begin searching for him.

Travis: But Elizabeth still tracks him every step of the way over six months, thanks to him being too dumb to get a new laptop.

Chris: F****** idiot.

Travis: Right?

Chris: You don't need a laptop even just f****** leave it.

Travis: You're on the run.

Travis: Like the first thing you do is throw out your phone, get a new computer if you need one, and just f******.

Travis: Yeah.

Chris: And they already have everything that was on your laptop.

Travis: You do not need it anymore if you need it.

Travis: By Michael's book.

Speaker UNK: Right?

Travis: Yeah.

Travis: So eventually she gets bored of him and like with that 20 year old waitress in mind, sends his name and current address to a lawyer in Miami who is probably looking for some of that money that until recently had been in his Cayman account.

Travis: And he's found with three bullets in his head, probably because he surprised a burglar.

Travis: Three bullets in the back of his head.

Chris: Got to love it.

Other Chris: Totally suicide.

Travis: Then it's Christmas time.

Travis: Lisp is realizing, wait a minute.

Travis: In between bouts of plain old sex is what they call it with Michael, that she actually does love him and immediately becomes very reserved.

Other Chris: Right.

Travis: He pays a visit to Heinrich during the break to collect some of the stuff he left of his cabin.

Travis: So he left in a bit of a hurry, gets his check and confirmed that he was not going to write that family history.

Speaker UNK: Yeah.

Travis: I just couldn't write without the murder basement completely.

Travis: And leaves a note with Cecilia's mailbox.

Travis: I hope you can forgive me.

Travis: Right.

Travis: Meanwhile, Lisp is cleaning out her apartment and comes to terms with the fact that she wants some gesture of love from Blanquest and gives him a Christmas present as an excuse to pay him a visit, which is an antique metal sign with Elvis that would go great in his Rider's cabin or whatever.

Travis: But on her way to deliver it, she sees him and Erica coming out of a bar, arms around each other with very clear intentions, throws Elvis in the garbage and says, what a pathetic fool you are, slander.

Chris: Yeah.

Other Chris: What a great way to end.

Travis: Just one little bit of misery to go on your way.

Travis: Good night kiss of misery for you.

Travis: Right.

Other Chris: When I think I could love someone.

Other Chris: No, the end.

Chris: Just picked the wrong person.

Chris: He just wants to be friends with everyone and then have sex with all.

Other Chris: His friends and sometimes lover he doesn't do.

Travis: I think there's probably you can count on one hand the number of people he met that he did not sleep with, including Martin.

Chris: I mean, it almost happened.

Travis: Almost.

Other Chris: It did almost.

Travis: It should have been a minute later.

Other Chris: Yeah.

Chris: He had his pants off and everything.

Travis: It was right there for him.

Travis: But I gathered that Michael is in the other books, too, with her.

Travis: So I'm guessing they have some sort of thing.

Other Chris: I think so, yeah.

Other Chris: They can be frames.

Travis: Yeah.

Travis: Again, we covered this before, but I feel like you could have just end with that part and then had the Warnstrom thing at the beginning of the next book instead.

Travis: Yeah.

Travis: That was a lot.

Other Chris: Just a little opener or something.

Chris: No, I mean, I feel like they could have just been shorter.

Chris: It could have been summarized much more quickly.

Chris: It did not need to be like 100 some odd pages.

Travis: It did feel like he's like, I don't know if I'm going to get a second book, so I'm putting in this one.

Other Chris: Right.

Travis: Anyway, any final thoughts, Jim?

Speaker UNK: No.

Chris: I thought it was nicely wrapped up.

Chris: I don't think that there were any sort of loose ends.

Chris: I don't think I have any questions left.

Speaker UNK: Right.

Chris: And as far as mysteries go, I think it was solidly handled in terms of, like, they dished out the right information at the right time.

Travis: Yeah, I agree with that.

Travis: Once I figured out who everyone in the family was, which I feel was like, on purpose part of the thing, like unraveling the mystery, it became very interesting.

Chris: Yeah.

Travis: Usually in those kind of books where it's like, here's a group of people together and who cares?

Travis: Because just skip to the head to the end, where you find out who killed everybody in the family that were interested.

Chris: Yeah, I do think that definitely helps.

Chris: Right.

Chris: It's kind of terrible when they put in a bunch of characters, but you can't tell anybody apart, right?

Other Chris: Yeah.

Travis: What say you?

Travis: Regular Chris?

Travis: Overall impressions, final thoughts.

Other Chris: It's really changed from the beginning.

Other Chris: I enjoyed it.

Other Chris: I didn't mind having to do all the reading, even though it was hard sometimes to get it done.

Other Chris: But it's definitely worthwhile and fun to figure out and see where it goes.

Travis: Agreed.

Travis: Totally agreed.

Travis: So now we gotta watch this d*** movie.

Chris: Oh, yeah.

Travis: Do you guys have anything else?

Travis: That's good.

Other Chris: We just been watching Fridgerton.

Travis: Yeah, we watched the first episode.

Other Chris: I'm almost through the season.

Other Chris: Oh, Jesus.

Other Chris: It came on Friday.

Travis: It came out on Friday, man.

Other Chris: Yes.

Travis: It's 8 hours.

Other Chris: Yes.

Travis: First episode is super long, too.

Other Chris: Well, in the 6th one is long too.

Other Chris: Episode six.

Other Chris: That's long.

Other Chris: I feel okay.

Other Chris: I got to figure out what I'm going to I'll probably try to go back to this at heart now that I don't have to read Dragon Tattoo.

Travis: Right.

Other Chris: Maybe finish that up and then if I think about it, do a review or something for the website on it, maybe.

Travis: Yeah, you should.

Travis: I would love I'd like to get.

Other Chris: To my parable of the Sower graphic novel, too.

Travis: Yeah, bring it on.

Other Chris: It's been on my list for a.

Travis: Couple of years to finally read let's get it done.

Other Chris: People keep talking about that online, like an NPR and all that kind of stuff and how prescient it turns out Octavia Butler was with societal.

Chris: You're kidding, right?

Other Chris: She kind of saw Writing on the Wall.

Chris: Oh, my God.

Other Chris: I mean, it's supposed to be extreme and not happen.

Other Chris: Maybe this early, but maybe not long ago.

Chris: Oh, man.

Chris: No, she's spot on with so many.

Other Chris: Things because even if we're not as extreme as that society, there's a lot of those similar pressures that just kind of happened to occur.

Chris: Yeah.

Other Chris: I was thinking of that earlier today.

Other Chris: I often feel like my mom being on.

Other Chris: I'm like, man, that sucks.

Other Chris: I'm like, but my mom got to miss a lot of the crap of the century so far.

Other Chris: Two economic downturns, a pandemic freaking war in Europe again.

Other Chris: Like, two rounds of over $4 gas.

Other Chris: Like, shortages of stuff.

Other Chris: Like, you know what?

Other Chris: That just would have made life extra sucky for her.

Other Chris: Yeah.

Travis: I missed, like, six versions of Skyrim, too.

Other Chris: But it's just weird to think about all this crap that's, like, happens in, like, 20 years.

Other Chris: Not a lot of time, really.

Travis: In a certain light.

Travis: It's good.

Chris: Octavia Butler's understanding of the human psyche, I guess.

Chris: Yeah, pretty accurate.

Chris: It's ridiculous, like, how good she is at predicting human behavior.

Other Chris: Right?

Chris: Yeah, I'd like to, too.

Chris: I guess the thing that hits me a lot of the time with her writing is how honest she is with her characters, like internal feelings, like things that you might lie to yourself about or not want to think about.

Chris: Like, these are things that she puts in.

Travis: Yeah.

Chris: So stuff that is potentially very uncomfortable.

Travis: Right.

Chris: These are topics that she takes on with gusto.

Travis: Cool.

Chris: She can't say enough.

Chris: Good.

Travis: Yeah.

Travis: She's still on my to be read list, but working through anything else?

Other Chris: No, not for me.

Chris: Cool.

Other Chris: Just normal stuff.

Other Chris: Schools, school.

Chris: Boy, oh, boy.

Chris: Anyway, other Chris, man.

Chris: Jeez, let's see.

Chris: Sharon has been watching stuff, and I've kind of caught some of it.

Chris: I did actually catch a little bit of Bridgerton, and that seemed interesting.

Other Chris: Yeah.

Chris: I don't know.

Chris: I think she's actually toward the end of it.

Speaker UNK: Yeah.

Chris: Caught an episode of a show called Minks.

Chris: Minks, minks.

Speaker UNK: Okay.

Chris: Which is about a feminist magazine in the 70s.

Speaker UNK: Okay.

Speaker UNK: Yeah.

Chris: But it seems like it's a combination of, like, Ms.

Chris: Magazine and Playgirl kind of.

Speaker UNK: Yeah.

Chris: Basically it has the articles about, like, sort of feminist ideology.

Chris: Maybe not ideology, but, you know, like, feminist topics, I guess.

Speaker UNK: Right.

Chris: About should Housewives get paid for their work or, like, abortion or alimony, like, political stuff.

Chris: And the editor of the magazine tried to get it published as a serious thing.

Chris: And she's a serious writer, but she always had her articles rejected and everything.

Chris: She finally tries to start her own magazine and finds basically, like, the only person who's willing to support her is this dude in the Valley who just publishes a bunch of p*** rags.

Chris: It ends up being, like, a combination of these sort of serious articles, but also, like, just dongs.

Chris: Like construction worker dongs.

Travis: Nothing wrong with that.

Chris: Yeah.

Chris: No, it's totally great.

Chris: But it's a fun show.

Chris: It's got that Jake Johnson character from The New Girl.

Chris: He's funny, he's always good, and he's like the semi sleazy, like, magazine owner.

Other Chris: Right.

Chris: Publisher kind of guy.

Travis: Yeah.

Chris: And yeah, it's just about getting the magazine published and all the politics involved in it and I don't know, like the colorful characters, I guess.

Other Chris: Right.

Chris: It's a lot of fun.

Travis: What's it on?

Other Chris: Sounds like it.

Chris: I think it's on HBO.

Other Chris: Yeah, that's about right for it.

Chris: Yeah.

Chris: Other than that, I don't know, new Red Velvet album just came out.

Travis: Oh, s***.

Travis: Yeah.

Chris: So that's really good.

Travis: The whole album.

Chris: Yeah.

Chris: They got a Japanese album coming out.

Travis: What?

Chris: So that's going to be good.

Chris: Yeah, I'm excited for that.

Chris: So super hype.

Travis: Nice.

Travis: Very nice thing I was going to bring up is this book.

Travis: It's called inconcrete.

Travis: It's written by Angueta.

Travis: I don't know.

Travis: This is the same French author who wrote that book I told you about.

Travis: Sphinx.

Travis: The main character and the main characters, love instance were never revealed to what gender they were through the whole story.

Travis: And I picked this up because it's translated by the same person, Emma Ramadan, who I thought did a really good job with that book.

Travis: And I'm being impressed again with her translation of this one because the story is about two girls growing up with their dad and I guess the French countryside somewhere.

Travis: But he's, I don't know, kind of a weekend warrior, do yourself kind of guy and always trying to fix s*** himself very rapidly between stories about the time that they tried to put concrete in their attic of their farmhouse and all the trouble that caused.

Other Chris: That sounds like a good idea.

Travis: No, it really doesn't, especially since they don't have running water there.

Travis: And so they have to go to a well to get any water for their concrete.

Travis: That's really not to have a pulley system to get the concrete upstairs and that breaks and covers her sister in concrete.

Travis: And that's what they start talking about a lot of their past situations, like rewiring stuff poorly and how often their dad would just get electrocuted.

Travis: So it's very different from the Sphinx story.

Travis: It reminds me a lot of Guarda Mon, Peer or Chateau Monomer, like grown up type of crazy kid adventures.

Speaker UNK: Yeah.

Travis: But the impressive thing about the translation is this book is like riddled with malpropisms and puns and purposeful misspellings or jokes.

Travis: I would never be able to pick that s*** up I was reading in the French.

Travis: I'm like, what is this word?

Travis: Like, I couldn't go to the micro, Robert and look it up.

Travis: Like, I have no idea what the h*** is.

Travis: I've been completely lost, but very light and funny and also very good depiction of kind of s*** that kids get into kind of on their own, like having wars with other neighborhood kids, throwing clads of dirt at each other.

Travis: Like, I'm pretty sure I did exactly that with neighbor kids I hated.

Other Chris: I did, too.

Travis: So it's really good.

Travis: Cool in concrete.

Speaker UNK: Nice.

Other Chris: Cool.

Travis: I'm also like 90 hours into Eldering at this point, and this is never going to end.

Travis: No, this game is so f****** long.

Other Chris: Yeah.

Other Chris: There's lots of wonderful memes about the impossibleness of that game of Christ.

Travis: I'm sure if I'd focus on just the main story, I probably could have gotten done by now.

Travis: But there's so many people to help and, like, caves to go into.

Travis: I can't let Millicent not recover from Scarlett ROTT and just finish the game with her just dying.

Travis: I got to have her realize that she's the one goddess's daughter and you have to fight her sisters, and I have to help her.

Other Chris: There you go.

Travis: But to do that, I have to get to the secret area, and to get that, I have to go through other secret areas to get the medallions.

Chris: Oh, man.

Other Chris: Right.

Travis: Just never ends.

Travis: Just ridiculous.

Chris: Blame game designers.

Chris: They hired one too many.

Travis: Yeah, well, I'm sure it's good if you're the kind of person like, I don't mind.

Travis: I'm going to play this just forever.

Travis: If it was an MMO, it'd be fine, right?

Travis: I got other s*** I got to do.

Travis: Like sleep.

Chris: Clock is ticking.

Travis: Yeah, right.

Travis: There's only so many hours I have left later than you think.

Travis: Guys.

Other Chris: Are you Bros?

Other Chris: Buds?

Other Chris: I did just pick up Matthew McConaughey's Green Light book that came out last year that couldn't get a copy for a long time.

Travis: Green Lights.

Other Chris: And he talks about that stuff in the beginning, like recognizing the inevitable there's an asterisk, and the next inevitable is some little finger of death.

Other Chris: Everyone needs to realize this was published in late 2020.

Other Chris: He's like, I'm 50 now, four years behind me.

Other Chris: I'm like, But I do like.

Other Chris: And he's like, yes, I have been arrested after bongoing naked for like 6 hours and on a beach or something.

Travis: Yeah, that's more interesting story than, like, I fought this one boss in Elden Ring and they were a D***.

Other Chris: It's a pretty interesting book so far because it's his memoir, but it's also about his life, philosophies and an advice book, too.

Other Chris: It's a neat combination of stuff because it's all based on journals and stuff he's been keeping for like 35 years.

Other Chris: And he writes down interesting things that happened to him.

Other Chris: Story tidbits, like quotes he wants to remember.

Other Chris: All kind of stuff talks about his family.

Other Chris: So it's been neat.

Other Chris: A few pages of like, the 30 pages that I've read.

Other Chris: But I'm like, speaking of, like, more days behind us type of deal, I'm like, he's talking about that the ultimate place where everyone goes.

Travis: The end f****** dead.

Other Chris: Yes.

Travis: That'S great.

Travis: I was sort of interested in that.

Travis: I saw the audiobook.

Travis: I'm like, I don't think I can listen to Matthew McConaughey read anything.

Travis: I don't think I can put up with that.

Travis: I thought about getting just getting the.

Other Chris: Auto book when I couldn't find physical copies.

Other Chris: I'm like, no, this is the book I actually want to have a copy of.

Other Chris: And I've got it at Walmart because Walmart has them now.

Travis: Wow.

Other Chris: Like perfect Walmart.

Travis: They had like four.

Other Chris: So I got paid Friday.

Other Chris: I had to buy stuff for the cats.

Other Chris: I picked it up then.

Chris: Walmart is really weird.

Other Chris: It is.

Chris: It looks like the most random thing that I found at Walmart part was the Chuck Norris autobiography.

Chris: I want to learn about Chuck Norris.

Chris: But the first thing that happens, I really want to find it and dig this quote out, because I'm going to get it wrong.

Chris: But the way that it's written is just so.

Chris: I don't think he had a ghost written.

Chris: Definitely.

Chris: But one of the first things that happens is like he had a child that was born prematurely, and I don't remember the exact numbers.

Chris: I don't remember how many weeks a full term is like, Travis, how many weeks?

Chris: 40.

Travis: Like 36 before you're viable.

Chris: Yeah.

Chris: I can't remember what the exact number was, but it was basically like he got a call from the doctor and the doctor was like, oh, your wife is only 30 weeks pregnant, but she's having the baby now and he's like 30 weeks.

Chris: But that's way less than the 36th that you need.

Chris: Okay.

Chris: No, I have to put this down now.

Chris: We're barely a page in and you're.

Travis: Already, like, making up quotes.

Chris: Yeah.

Chris: This conversation definitely happened exactly this way.

Chris: You could have just let me fill the rest in.

Chris: Like you didn't have to.

Chris: G****** it.

Travis: Constant struggle with extreme ownership.

Chris: Yeah, I know.

Travis: Jocko about being in the Navy and killing all these g****** terrorists.

Chris: Right.

Travis: All the time.

Other Chris: Well, both of those would be at Walmart's book section, but I'm always amazed by the things I find.

Other Chris: Like McConaughey's book.

Other Chris: And then that's where I got my copy of Milk and Honey from it's from Walmart.

Other Chris: Yeah.

Other Chris: They'll have actual good s***.

Other Chris: I usually expect it to be like concern of commentator books.

Other Chris: No, it's 50 copies of the Bible.

Other Chris: And then they'll have a few actual books that other people would want.

Other Chris: They do actually end up with a good Team Lit section.

Chris: Yeah.

Chris: They have stuff that will sell.

Other Chris: They do.

Chris: You're right is what it is.

Chris: So it doesn't matter if it's good or not.

Chris: Like it's not curated by quality.

Other Chris: It's not conservative versus Liberal.

Other Chris: You're right.

Other Chris: It's stuff that will sell.

Chris: Yes.

Travis: It won't stay on their shelves for very long.

Travis: Right.

Travis: That's what they care about.

Other Chris: Yeah.

Other Chris: Like I said, they only had four copies of Matthew McConnell's book.

Other Chris: That's probably all they ever really need to have on the shelf there that'll have like ten copies of some other things.

Chris: And they'll have an entire bucket full of the Chuck Norris biography.

Other Chris: Yes, exactly.

Chris: Yeah.

Travis: I would expect a lot of chicken soup for the teenage soul and s*** like that.

Other Chris: If that was still a thing, they would have a bunch.

Other Chris: Yeah, they did.

Other Chris: And I recall back in the Walmart book section Was chicken soup books.

Chris: God, though.

Chris: F******.

Travis: We should review that for our next season.

Travis: Did they make one of the movie.

Other Chris: On one of them?

Travis: They did.

Travis: They made a movie out of what to expect when you're expecting.

Travis: We should do that or he's not that into you.

Travis: Like the dating advice book that they turn into a s***** romcom.

Other Chris: Yeah.

Travis: Anyway, all right, well, we should probably stop recording f****** kids a track.

Travis: I got a hit stop.

Other Chris: Yeah, you do stop.

Travis: Okay, that was our session for today.

Travis: And again, we are running a little long, so I'll try to be quick here, too.

Travis: Homework for next week is to watch the movie the American version with Rooney Mara and Daniel Craig.

Travis: Right now, the movie is on the Netflix Or most of your usual paid streaming sites and probably at a local library.

Travis: So go check that out too.

Travis: Also, a couple of quick on second thoughts to close out, Chris and I seemed really sure that there was a chicken soup for the soul movie and maybe there is one, But I sure haven't been able to find one by Googling.

Travis: There does seem to be a chicken soup production company or something that has a hand in like crackle or something called popcorn flicks.

Travis: And that's as far as I was able to research Before I got really bored.

Travis: Also, Millicent.

Travis: Poor Millicent.

Travis: I should have just left your arc unfinished.

Travis: Today's episode was actually finished an hour ago, but then spent a lot of time being furiously written in a cabin by Chris, Chris Ham, Chris other Chris Jacobson.

Travis: It was edited by me.

Travis: Travis Rowan was sponsored by no one in particular.

Travis: Until next time, keep f****** reading.

Travis: I'll have to check to see what soccer and track looks like.

Travis: But I don't know.

Travis: I'm kind of liking doing these during the week days or weekend days.

Travis: Yeah, it's way easier to stay awake.

Other Chris: That it is.

Travis: So I'll set myself a reminder to check in.

Chris: Sharon noted that our recordings seem to go quicker.

Travis: Oh, yeah?

Travis: Well, because I'm not drinking during the day.

Chris: When we do that during the day.

Travis: I can't justify a glass of Scotch during the daytime.

Travis: You can't at 11:00 a.m.

Travis: On a Sunday.

Travis: Sure.

Other Chris: Why not?

Travis: No, I got to say leave out a track later.

Travis: Not running very well today.

Travis: Stinks alcohol.

Chris: Yeah, it's Texas.

Chris: What are you talking about?

Travis: You should smell of Shiner, Texas for gun smoke.

Travis: All right.