**Please note: this transcript was automatically generated. We're working on going back over this to add speakers' names and clear up misspellings as we have time ... but as we all know, there is precious little of that** Travis: I think you read bonus. Other Chris: Did I? Other Chris: Okay, I could have gotten here 20 minutes earlier. Travis: G****** it. Travis: Now you know what happened. Travis: You're going to spoil the whole book for us. Other Chris: It's cool. Chris: It's okay. Chris: I don't like this Skype change, and it didn't do a little jingle to alert me you were calling. Travis: Oh, well, I didn't ring the group, so it's probably my fault. Chris: Yeah. Travis: Hello and welcome back to Rtfb. Travis: This is Travis and today, Chris, Other Chris and I are going over the Middle East part of The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo, which means chapters eleven through 22 for anyone reading along. Travis: Also important thing, this is the second book episode this season, and that means you just unlocked an achievement by listening to today's episode, you've proven you're not just here to check in on what the new book is and skip out again. Travis: You aren't just shortcutting to the movie because it's way faster. Travis: No, you're here because you want to get into the details to do the work or because you fell asleep listening to something else. Travis: I don't know. Travis: Anyway, for whatever reason, you're here and you are now a favorite listener. Travis: And favorite listeners get a special code word that you will probably be able to use to enter a giveaway or something sometime in the near future. Travis: So remember your code word for this time, Bible study, folks. Travis: Also, as we've been saying, the general content warning for the season. Travis: If you are sensitive to discussions of sexual assault, this is where things really start to ramp up. Travis: So please proceed with caution. Travis: Okay, all that said, if you're ready, let's get back to my conversation with the Chris's already in progress. Travis: And then your horse can die too. Travis: And that makes me sad. Chris: Well, I don't know. Travis: He comes back, but you have to heal him. Travis: He's a spirit horse. Chris: I'll never forget when Matt played Red Dead Redemption, the first one, and we looked up the best horse and he spent like hours trying to capture it. Chris: And he did. Travis: Yeah. Chris: And he had that horse for like a month and then he was playing and he did the mission where you do the flying machine with the one guy where he jumps off a cliff to fly it and he did that and it was okay. Chris: And Matt whilst for his horse and our joke is the horse is like, I'm coming John Marston. Chris: And it jumped off the cliff and they had to figure out like horse spawning then at some point for some reason and that your horse could die in that. Chris: So he never got that good horse again because it's a pain in the a** to wait for the right night time conditions and go chase it down for like hours on end. Chris: And it just did it. Chris: And it was terrible. Chris: And I'm like, why the h*** did you do that? Chris: Game developers. Chris: I guess you didn't realize your horses could jump off cliffs to find John Marston. Other Chris: They probably did and they left it in there. Chris: And knowing that you're right, that's probably it. Travis: It's too loyal. Travis: Stupid horse. Chris: Yeah. Travis: Well guys, do you think we've achieved Grim Dank yet? Travis: Grim Dark we got there. Chris: Yeah, we got there. Travis: Or there's still more Grim Dark to come. Chris: There probably is, but not in the same way. Chris: If I recall correctly from my vague memories of watching the movie a million years ago. Chris: There's already a lot of different stuff. Chris: So I'm looking forward to seeing what it actually was and not what the movies change it into. Other Chris: It's pretty bad. Travis: Yeah. Chris: Because I'm like good, we got a lot of cool s*** we're doing now. Chris: Let's just do that other stuff out. Chris: I'm just going to ignore that. Travis: Sorry. Travis: I mean there's certainly content to talk about but it wasn't fun to hear about it. Other Chris: I don't think so. Other Chris: Was it fun but was it kind of awesome parts of it? Other Chris: I think parts of it were kind of awesome. Travis: Parts of it were a little bit Sean Freud Mystic. Chris: Yeah. Travis: I felt revengeful. Other Chris: Yeah, I enjoy that. Other Chris: Who doesn't want to? Chris: The response to what happened was well earned by that a******. Travis: That works on two levels. Other Chris: It really does. Travis: And then like later on learning about all the shenanigans in the forties and Sixties and whatnot. Chris: Yeah. Travis: Pretty intense. Travis: What did you think though? Chris: I liked it. Chris: It was hard because I was concerned that they basically had to read the whole reading on Friday that I wasn't going to be able to accomplish it. Chris: And I didn't finish finishing. Chris: I actually just finished like half an hour before we got under. Chris: But I found it super easy to just keep going, which I appreciate. Chris: It really interesting, like really intriguing and so much stuff is kind of developing that I wouldn't have picked going that way to begin with. Travis: Right? Other Chris: Yeah. Other Chris: This part of the book is definitely where all of the stuff starts happening, right? Chris: Yeah. Other Chris: This is where the acceleration really picks up. Chris: Yeah. Travis: He benefits from having two months in jail to just sit and think. Travis: It's like wait a minute. Travis: Yeah, I got an idea. Chris: Hey, jail wasn't too bad, but he went to club that jail because it was just liable. Chris: Come on. Other Chris: Well, I mean and Scandinavian jail in general I think. Travis: Right. Travis: Yeah. Chris: They take a different tone to things. Other Chris: They really do. Chris: We don't want people to actually keep reoffending. Chris: So let's not make this completely terrible. Chris: We recognize that the punishment is you're not free and that's enough. Chris: You can still do stuff when you're in jail. Chris: They try to make them nice even though you still have to be locked up like part of the time you can't leave. Travis: And he even made friends. Travis: They're like he did looking out for the Ward. Travis: Yes. Travis: It was so nice. Chris: Yeah. Other Chris: I was thinking about like when he left, he had a drink with the warden. Chris: Yeah. Travis: Cheers. Travis: Yeah. Chris: I don't even think in our nicest prisons that happens in America. Chris: I think you get out and have a drink with your warden. Travis: Probably not. Travis: Now, if I had to pick two guys at the beginning, between two guys at the beginning of this book, between the social worker and the guy who goes to jail, who is going to get a** raped, I would have picked it wrong. Travis: Plus, like, Blanques just is going to sleep with everybody in this book. Chris: Yeah. Other Chris: I mean, why not? Chris: He just has he put it like occasional lovers or something? Travis: Yeah. Travis: He's very much what he does. Travis: Yeah. Other Chris: He likes f******. Chris: Yeah, that's what I do. Chris: If you want to get down, that's fine. Chris: We can have a good time. Chris: We might even be friends. Other Chris: Otherwise, no big deal. Other Chris: Whatever. Chris: Right? Chris: Exactly. Travis: Yes. Travis: That seems to be the distinction. Travis: He's not forcing anything, which in this book just sets him apart from a lot of the guys from. Other Chris: Like, pretty much all of them tell the other guy so far. Other Chris: Yeah. Travis: I hear women appreciate that. Chris: I hear they do, too. Travis: Like giving them autonomy and whatnot. Chris: Right tend to like that. Travis: They tend to, I guess. Chris: Yeah. Travis: So not to rush things, but I've got a date to go see Uncharted later. Other Chris: Oh, my God. Chris: I do, but I'm looking forward to Uncharted. Travis: Even though actually it's Simon who wants to see it. Chris: Has he ever played any of the games? Travis: No, he just knows who Tom Holland is. Chris: Probably. Chris: If they do it like all the other video game movies that seem like they still be lost, but you never know. Chris: It might be okay. Travis: I think it's probably low enough barrier to entry that he'll get it. Chris: Yeah. Chris: Trying to tell an origin story with it, so hopefully it'll be fine. Chris: My plan is to wear dress up like Nate, but I don't have the gun holster thingies that he has. Chris: That's the only thing I need. Chris: I got when I started playing the game. Chris: I have his ring on, the leather necklace, like he wears. Chris: I have one of those. Travis: I don't think he's going to notice when Nolan North shows up as a cameo, but probably not. Travis: I don't know if I'll recognize them either. Travis: Yeah, right. Other Chris: Yeah. Other Chris: There you go. Travis: Yep. Chris: That kind of forgot the movie was out, but it's still playing because we saw it. Chris: It was at the theater. Chris: We saw Batman. Chris: The Batman at. Chris: Yeah. Travis: Playstation keeps telling me to see it. Other Chris: Yeah, of course it should tell me. Chris: Too, because I have a lot of hours logged into that and do it uncharted. Travis: Please go see Uncharted. Chris: G****** most frustrating games I've ever had to fight through. Chris: But I love the stories. Travis: Yeah. Chris: If you were with me when I play them, I f****** curse them out all the time, you piece of s***. Other Chris: Stop it. Chris: What the f*** is this? Chris: Why are you doing this to me? Chris: But once I get through those shooting parts, then when I get to the puzzles in the store. Chris: This is amazing. Chris: Okay. Chris: It sucks to get here, but it's worth it. Travis: I'm with you on that. Travis: The shooting is ridiculous. Travis: The rest of it is pretty fun. Chris: Yeah. Travis: So some details about this book section. Travis: So where were we? Travis: Right. Travis: Like, Blonde Quest is talking to this, you know, like head of this Oligarchy, basically this rich family doing some research about the guy's granddaughter who went missing, like, on this remote island, a compound with him going through old case files. Travis: This part starts beginning of February, about a month after he's been living on this island. Travis: Had to be, which, by the way, I tried to find on Google Maps, and I suck, apparently. Other Chris: No, it's not real. Travis: Oh, it's not a real thing. Other Chris: It's not real. Other Chris: The city is not real either. Travis: I don't think some of them are real because they're going to real places sometimes. Other Chris: Yes. Other Chris: But this particular place. Travis: I think, is not just made up. Travis: Yeah, okay, that makes sense. Travis: And I finally solidified in this section that the island and the place where the parade was is a different place. Other Chris: Yes. Travis: So that's a wrinkle to the story. Travis: I didn't know. Other Chris: The island is, like, where all the family lives, and then across the bridge is like the city where all of the other stuff happens. Travis: The town folks. Travis: Yes. Travis: Erica Berger has just shown up to Fraternize, and they are taking a stroll around the island because it's UN characteristically sunny. Travis: They run into Vanguard, and Erica quickly wins them over with her repartee and whatnot. Other Chris: Yeah, she's great. Travis: Yeah. Travis: He proposed becoming a new partner for the Millennium magazine. Travis: He's like, I'm a bit of a publisher myself, but only if Blanquest is reinstated at his position, like, right now, because if you recall, he stepped down, went on the whole libel thing, which is why he's hanging out this island, essentially. Travis: They're like, Burnstrom will f****** hate it. Travis: So let's go for it. Other Chris: Great reason to do anything, I suppose. Travis: P*** off that s***** business guy who stole millions of Kroner or whatever. Other Chris: Yeah. Travis: Everyone has a dress up dinner and a deal is made. Travis: And let's see later. Travis: Long Quist is resting his head on Berger's chest. Travis: He discovers they've always been already been discussing it for several weeks without telling him. Travis: He's like, man, you must have been p***** off at me. Travis: I was furious and shoved his head farther down in the bed. Other Chris: Pretty cool. Travis: She is pretty cool. Travis: And just to call back, they're sort of dating. Travis: Even though she's married to some other dude. Chris: I feel like they've been friends longer than they've been on again, off again love in life. Travis: Yes. Travis: He takes some time out the next day to go see Lord of the Rings when she leaves. Chris: Okay, that was fun. Chris: Yeah, that shoutout was fun. Chris: Yeah. Travis: Picks up some McDonald's and gets back to reading. Travis: So he's, like, living the dream I want to throw out. Other Chris: There something that made me kind of laugh is one of the books they talk about him reading in this. Other Chris: The author has a blurb on the back of this book. Travis: Oh, yeah. Travis: I remember what you're talking about, but I didn't recognize the book or the author. Other Chris: Yeah. Travis: Maybe not on. Travis: Oh, yeah. Travis: Here we go. Travis: They say, I doubt you'll read a better book this year because it mentions mine in it, right? Travis: Yeah. Other Chris: Only because I didn't write a book. Other Chris: You won't read a better book this year. Travis: If I had written a book, I think his character would read it. Chris: Oh, wait, that's somebody else's book. Travis: Yeah. Travis: So he goes back to reading with his Big Mac or whatever and comes with some more points of interest from the investigations into Harriet's disappearance. Travis: Mostly that in her last year she became more like introverted, antisocial, and also had some religious goings on, like going from her usual Church to a Pentecostal one and then to a Catholic one in a short time frame. Travis: Yeah. Travis: They have, like, a bound diary of hers with an alphabetical list of names and phone numbers, but they're all from the 60s, so they have, like, five digits. Travis: I expected there to be a Clondyke in there or something. Travis: You have to tell person, give me this number. Travis: But outside of the alphabetical listing, there are five on their own page. Travis: Amagna, Sarah, Rjrl, and Mari, but nothing definitive about who these people are and no real connection to her. Travis: Like, the phone numbers don't seem to go to anything. Chris: Yeah. Travis: He's like, well, the RJ could be this Richard Jacobson who had roofed her school, but it seems like a stretch. Travis: I don't know. Other Chris: Really does. Travis: Yeah. Travis: There's a quick aside about Lisbeth's Ibook being manslaughtered by a driver who wasn't paying attention. Chris: Oh, yeah. Travis: And her contemplating murder. Travis: I'm like, I got you. Travis: So she's like, I need this new Power book with the backlit keys. Travis: And what was it? Travis: Was it 14 inch screen? Other Chris: Oh, my God. Chris: 14 backlit keys are pretty helpful. Travis: Really? Travis: Are you can type in the dark then. Chris: Yeah. Chris: I'm surprised it took so long to do it. Other Chris: Learn to type. Chris: No, you need to see. Other Chris: No, you really don't. Travis: Yes, you do. Travis: Have you seen those nonquiry keyboards? Travis: They're impossible. Chris: Yes. Chris: Sometimes I got my home keys with little bumps. Chris: I can find my way backlit ones. Travis: I thought I could type better than I do because I have a keyboard that doesn't have the letters on the top. Travis: They're like blank, so you don't wear them off. Travis: But if the lights are off, I can't type even if I'm not looking at them. Travis: It's weird. Chris: That's fair. Travis: Peripheral vision, I guess, for typing. Other Chris: That's very interesting. Other Chris: I've got a blank keyboard, and there are a couple of symbols that I have trouble finding sometimes because I don't use them very often, but that's about it. Travis: Yeah. Travis: It looks way cooler, though, so. Travis: Yeah, she needs a lot of money because if you've ever bought a Mac before, they're not cheap. Other Chris: Right. Travis: So she's got to talk to Advocate Scumbag. Travis: Come over to my office and we'll review your request. Travis: Let's see. Travis: Michael notices Cecilia's light on one evening and stops him to say hello and asks to borrow a cup of sex. Other Chris: Yes. Travis: All right, let's go. Other Chris: Very boom. Travis: Casual. Travis: I guess she's been eyeing him through the window the whole time he's been there. Travis: I don't know. Speaker UNK: Yeah. Other Chris: Seems that way. Travis: Yeah. Travis: And to skip ahead a little bit, it made it extra uncomfortable, like these casual sex scenes mixed in with what's about to happen to Elizabeth. Travis: And, like. Travis: Yeah, I don't feel good about any of them now. Other Chris: Well, you know, point counterpoint. Travis: Right, right. Other Chris: I suppose. Travis: I guess it is. Travis: Compare and contrast. Travis: So, yeah. Travis: Later at the office, advocate shitbag forces Elizabeth to blow him to get the check to me. Travis: I'll be nice to you. Travis: Yeah. Travis: Really nice. Chris: Major ethics violations. Travis: Yeah. Other Chris: Well, I mean, among other things. Travis: Legal violations are being had as well. Travis: Not just ethical, but basically she disassociates with it, which fair enough. Travis: Although she does eye a letter opener pretty severely on his desk. Travis: And after she's sent home, he's like, this is better than having a w**** because I'm paying her with her money. Travis: Vomit again. Other Chris: Gross. Other Chris: Oh, man. Other Chris: I like, though, like, her whole thought process, I guess, is that basically she's grown up, she's matured a little bit and that she's learned not to react immediately to this s*** and to be very methodical about. Travis: Right. Other Chris: Like how she deals with this s***. Travis: Right. Travis: Survive the current situation and then deal with it, I guess. Other Chris: Yeah. Travis: Afterwards, she's thinking about with the bruising on her neck and whatever fluids that are in or around her system. Travis: She could probably file police report, but in her experience, police have never been much of a help. Other Chris: Right. Travis: Growing up as a kid, they were always the ones f****** around with her. Chris: The Swedish police don't sound too good in this book. Travis: No. Travis: She also doesn't know any other women who haven't also been forced to do some act by some random guy. Travis: And going through the recounting of some of her experiences with bullies as she was growing up, it doesn't seem that she has any trouble taking revenge on her own. Travis: So she's not particularly interested in asking for help, although she thinks over there's anyone she knows she can talk to about it. Travis: That random guy, plague. Travis: Like, he wouldn't know what to do. Travis: Or the evil fingers who are like a band she used to be in back in the day. Chris: Yeah. Travis: Not particularly interested in them knowing she's been declared, like, mentally incompetent. Other Chris: Yeah. Travis: She considers Dragon probably most seriously, but she's like, But I don't want to be in his debt. Other Chris: Yeah, he's already like a weird protective father figure. Other Chris: This would only make that worse. Travis: Yes. Travis: And this is where she was like, I mean, he touched my b*** one time, but it was like, friendly. Chris: Right? Travis: Something like that not a good option. Chris: No. Travis: But anyway, bad news for Advocate rapist because she might have to take things into her own hands. Other Chris: Yeah. Other Chris: She seriously considers murder for a little while. Chris: Yeah. Chris: Not an unreasonable thought with the. Travis: Cut back to, like, post coitus chit chat with Cecilia regarding Harriet back when she knew her in the day. Travis: She's like, probably Harriet got messed up when her dad drowned. Travis: He had a blood alcohol content level of a billion and his pants were down and he fell off his boat and drowned. Chris: Yes. Travis: And I wrote down, I would just wonder if there's a reason. Travis: Like, this particular story about Harriet's dad is being interwoven with rape happening elsewhere. Travis: I have suspicions. Other Chris: Well, I mean, again. Chris: Everybody is originally called. Travis: Yes. Travis: Men Who Hate Women. Other Chris: Yeah. Other Chris: Every man is a rapist, apparently. Travis: Well, especially if they're rich. Other Chris: It's just like that family guy joke, like about the classroom. Other Chris: And like, the professor saying, women, look to your left and look to your right. Other Chris: Statistically, one of those men is going to rape you and the guys like, I'm not going to rape you. Other Chris: And then the other guy's like, I might. Other Chris: Yeah, that's what we're dealing with. Travis: Pretty much. Chris: Is that really true? Chris: I know. Chris: Statistically it's probably true, but got to say, I haven't really known anybody who's actually out of those impulses or even express them. Travis: No. Travis: Yeah, I'm taking the bold claim of I've raped every single person I've ever wanted to. Chris: Right. Travis: All zero of them. Travis: Anyway, so Elizabeth decides to hire herself to check out Advocate A******, but unfortunately, his record is pretty much spotless. Travis: But she begins planning for him to have a sort of a heart attack or checking on the Internet about homemade poisons. Travis: Settles on something, though, but it will require her to be attacked again. Travis: Frowning face. Chris: I did like her note, and I was surprised, too. Chris: There's a surprising amount of poisons you can make with household. Travis: Oh, yeah. Other Chris: A lot of things just are straight up poison. Chris: That's true, too. Chris: You can distill down and make a different poison out of this one. Other Chris: How many other things tell you? Other Chris: Like, hey, don't f****** drink this, you idiot. Travis: Right? Chris: Have that, like, Barky face in the poison control center. Other Chris: Yeah. Travis: So Blondquest has fallen into a sort of routine of like, read, have a walk around and think chit chat with Heinrich to tie up loose ends. Travis: Right. Travis: Later on every so often, hovered to Cecilias for a Rumble. Chris: Not a bad way to do things. Travis: I mean, it's good work if you can get it. Chris: I guess I need to live in Sweden or something. Other Chris: Yeah, it doesn't hurt, probably. Travis: Or just have a sexually casual 50 year old living next door, and you can stop by whenever you need to. Other Chris: Hey, there you go. Chris: Work on that. Travis: Yeah. Travis: He's already got like 100 pages of this family history written, too. Travis: Maybe 300 more to go. Travis: Now he's going to have to tread lightly through the N*** years. Chris: Those N*** years that so many families have to hide. Other Chris: Chapter three, the N*** years. Travis: Nothing happened between these years. Travis: Nothing of interest. Chris: Nothing to see here. Travis: We were all on vacation to go back to Family Guy. Travis: Elizabeth has another meeting with advocate Polanski and his place ready to hatch her plan, but it doesn't seem to go as planned. Travis: Like, handcuffs are used and. Chris: Other accoutrement. Travis: Yeah. Travis: Things are used. Travis: Not as indicated on the packaging. Other Chris: Exactly as indicated. Travis: Yeah. Chris: I think a few items that he uses, they were used as indicated on the packaging, but he wasn't really supposed to do what he did with that last one. Travis: That was. Chris: Yeah. Travis: It's a bad scene, basically. Travis: This guy is a f****** sadist. Travis: But when that's all over, he's like, Let me drive you home. Travis: He's like, no. Travis: Spends a week in bed from pain. Speaker UNK: Jesus. Travis: Does research into the psychology of sadists. Travis: Like decides he's chosen her as his victim because she's dependent on him. Travis: So where else can she go? Speaker UNK: Yeah. Travis: So. Travis: Yeah. Travis: Back to your point about ethical dilemma, using your authority over people. Chris: Yeah. Travis: Highly collision. Travis: Very bad. Chris: Very bad. Travis: Yeah. Travis: If there's a h***, that's where you're going. Chris: Yeah. Chris: And you get to join Hitler for his daily pineapple there. Travis: Yeah. Travis: So after she's feeling a little better on Friday, she goes to a tattoo parlor and gets a band on her ankle, which I guess is significant because skin is thin there, so it will hurt a lot. Travis: Guys like, you already have a lot of these tattoos. Travis: She's like, yeah, but it's a reminder. Chris: Yeah. Other Chris: I wondered if there was some significance, like, symbolic significance to that. Other Chris: I don't know. Other Chris: Tattoo symbology. Travis: Yeah. Travis: I don't know if there's about the band in particular, but if this is why all of her tattoos are that way. Travis: Like that's. Travis: Horrifying. Other Chris: Yeah. Chris: I don't think all of them are just that one. Chris: Just this one. Chris: This one for sure. Chris: But it'll have meaning for her at the very least. Travis: Yeah. Travis: Speaking of domestic violence, there's a note about Cecilia having been separated from her husband, but still not divorced for like 20 years because of all the divorce. Chris: But they will separate, right? Travis: Yeah. Travis: And like, talking about when it happened, basically her dad telling her that she was an idiot, which is the kind of support you need in those situations, was a piece everyone in this family's piece of s***. Travis: I think even Heinrich said so in the very first couple of chapters. Other Chris: Everyone. Other Chris: But like a couple. Chris: Some groupings of them are more so than others. Travis: Yeah. Travis: So post tattoo, Elizabeth goes back to Avocado. Travis: I'm in Danger's place the next Saturday. Travis: But he doesn't clock that she seems, like, really eager to get into his bedroom until she's shoving a Taser in his armpit and he Awakens, naked and vulnerable, in much the same position as she had been the week before. Travis: And she repays his kindness with an unlubricated b*** plug of his own. Chris: Little video show. Travis: And a video show. Travis: Yeah. Travis: Of a recording of the last week that she made on her hidden camera. Travis: On her backpack. Chris: Yep. Travis: He's like, Listen, I don't think we're going to be friends here, but here's what you're going to do. Travis: Turn my account over to me. Travis: Only turning a lot of good reports that I'm making a lot of great progress in our sessions. Travis: Never speak to me again. Travis: And in about two years, go ahead and throw in an application for me to be declared competent. Chris: Yes. Chris: Get out of this situation. Other Chris: There you go. Travis: Also, and something to remember me by. Travis: And she tattoos. Travis: I'm a sadistic pig, a pervert and a rapist. Travis: From his nipples to his genitals. Travis: Everyone will know. Chris: Everyone. Travis: Everyone. Travis: I mean, until it gets it removed. Travis: But that would be a lot of sessions and kind of embarrassing. Other Chris: Oh, it would be. Chris: Yeah. Chris: You can't really do that because how did you get this? Travis: Well, yeah, I fell. Chris: I fell into a tattooing needle. Other Chris: It was a doorknob on some stairs. Travis: She's like, Also, if I found out you bring any lady here, willing or otherwise, I f****** kill you. Chris: Yeah. Chris: So just dudes, for him. Travis: Going forward, apparently, might be the only option. Travis: We're plastic ladies. Travis: I don't know. Chris: It might be safer with that option. Travis: He seems to have a hook up for these kinds of things. Travis: A lot of equipment. Chris: He's got a lot of money, as I recall. Chris: Elizabeth found out a lot, which is kind of suspicious to me. Travis: Millions. Chris: I guess he just inherited it or something. Chris: Or in one of those families. Travis: Could be. Chris: That's probably why he thought he could use people, too, because he's been covering it up for a long time. Travis: Yeah. Travis: What did we say? Travis: Rich guys are the worst. Chris: They kind of are. Travis: Kind of are like. Chris: There'S been studies now because they're just not aware of life for other people. Travis: They have affluenza. Chris: Yeah. Chris: They're a******* because they just are. Chris: But the money removes you from normal humanity a bit, right? Travis: Yeah. Travis: So anyway, satisfied with that, she goes back to the office and over here is a news story. Travis: Get this. Travis: On the day that Michael Blanques reported to prison, it was announced that Heinrich Vonger was going to become a partner in his magazine and that he was reinstated. Travis: And Erica even hints that they haven't even told their side of this whole wornstrom story. Chris: Right. Travis: They also note that Banques didn't really like this idea, like him coming in as a partner, because now if he was going to write something unflattering, his book, then he's risking his magazine, too. Chris: Yeah. Travis: But Elizabeth notes the good old lawyer. Chris: Half the time I want to read, his name is Frodo, even though I know it's not. Travis: It's because of the Lord of the Rings reference. Other Chris: Yeah, Frodo. Chris: Yeah. Travis: He's in the news with them. Travis: She's like, wonder why that guy asked me to dig into this other guy he seems to be working with now. Chris: Right. Travis: And since she's got nothing better to do at the moment, she sets to investigate. Chris: Which she's really good at. Travis: Yeah, she really is, apparently. Travis: Yeah. Travis: So anyway, part three, mergers. Travis: And the fun fact for this section is 13% of women in Sweden have been subjected to aggravated sexual assault outside of a sexual relationship. Chris: That's that's a problem for you to Sweden. Chris: Is it still that the same almost later or whatever? Travis: Not looking into it. Other Chris: It probably ain't that different everywhere. Chris: Yeah, actually, you're right. Chris: If we looked into this, like, everywhere, we'd probably be shocked in places and that we're in some of the lower places in the world. Travis: Right. Chris: So, like, too high? Travis: Yeah, anything north of, like, 1% seems really high. Other Chris: Anything north of zero? Travis: Yeah, anything north of zero is a shame, but I'm willing to 1% of just anyone. Chris: There's just some sick f**** out there that you can't account for till you find them. Chris: Type of deal. Travis: That's right. Travis: Freaking Van Taylor and his ices bread. Travis: Anyway, fast forward to May and Michael's out of prison after only two months because he immediately petitioned for early release, basically when he showed up, which, again, what a great jail. Travis: Yeah, I just got here and I'm ready to go. Chris: I'm ready to go home now. Chris: Well, we'll take two months to look into it. Chris: Okay. Chris: You can go home. Travis: You can go. Travis: You know what? Travis: Just forget about that extra month. Travis: It's fine. Chris: Yeah. Chris: It's like, keep them till they die. Travis: Yeah. Travis: We spent most of the time working on his book. Travis: It seems like a dream for an author. Chris: They let him bring his computer and some of his notebooks and s***. Travis: Yeah, his computer, which he kept locked in a cabinet in his jail cell because I don't trust you guys in a jail. Travis: In a jail. Travis: But he comes back to the island, says Hi to the cat, checks in with Heinrich to catch up on the book and Millennium, and then knocks on Cecilia's door and ask him to just go away. Travis: But I did like the both of them. Travis: Like, what, did you break out. Chris: For another month right. Travis: Back at his cabin all by himself? Travis: He has some instinctual urge to review a photo album of the day that Harry went missing. Travis: Like something's in here, but I don't know what it is yet. Travis: But he's interrupted because Cecilia comes in. Travis: He's like, Listen, I didn't want to, but I fell in love with you last winter. Travis: That was last winter. Travis: That was two months ago. Travis: Talks about him. Travis: I can't see him in years. Other Chris: But he was gone for a couple of months. Travis: Like, two whole months. Chris: And she felt bad about falling for him because she knew he wouldn't be there forever. Travis: But that's right. Chris: At least the heart wants what it wants. Travis: That's what she said, at least. Chris: Yeah. Travis: But yes. Travis: She says, I thought I wouldn't let myself love you, but I do. Travis: He's like, all right. Chris: He'S actually not a bad guy. Chris: He's very open and honest and will kind of deal with people what they want, at least pressure and expectations on them. Travis: Yeah. Travis: She's like, we should call this office. Travis: Like, fair enough. Travis: And she's like, actually, I want you back. Travis: She's like, all right, let's get the business. Other Chris: Okay. Other Chris: Down for whatever. Travis: Yeah. Travis: So the next morning on them, though, which, again, could have been awkward, but she just seems mildly annoyed. Travis: Came all this way for candy and now I have to go on a diet. Chris: I'll just go stay with Heinrich. Travis: Yeah. Travis: It makes arrangements just to sleep in a spare room. Travis: Like, it's fine. Chris: Yeah. Travis: Talks to him about a big increase they've had in subscriptions, and they all have dinner at Cecilia's. Travis: And she basically announces, like, listen, I know what you're really researching here. Travis: Longcliff gets a key from Martin and explores the other side of the island. Travis: And Harriet's dad, Godfrey's former house where he drank and then drowned, finds just like a lot of books. Other Chris: Cabin. Travis: Yeah. Travis: Where you go for books? Other Chris: Yeah. Other Chris: Nudy bags. Chris: I forgot about the nude bags. Travis: Yes, they were vintage, too. Travis: I can't imagine what it looked like. Travis: Visit Cecilia again, who again decides, like, listen, I can't see you. Travis: He's like, well, okay, sorry about that. Other Chris: He's just scratching his f****** head at this point. Travis: Whatever, lady. Chris: Yeah. Travis: So one day in June, though, it just hits him like, what struck him in these pictures of the children's parade? Travis: Everyone in it was looking where they should be. Travis: Like at clowns and ladies in bathing suits. Travis: But not Harriet. Travis: She's steering off screen, like, afraid. Chris: Yes. Chris: She doesn't look happy and stuff. Travis: No. Chris: Although I don't know how happy I'd be around Clans either. Chris: I don't care for them. Other Chris: Yeah, but there's also bikini ladies over there. Chris: Oh, yeah. Chris: I would be looking at them. Other Chris: There you go. Travis: What if they had bikini clowns, though? Other Chris: Bikini clowns? Chris: Yeah, I would probably look at that, too, just for the sheer strangeness of it. Chris: Yeah. Other Chris: I mean, there's definitely a sector of the Internet for that. Chris: Question is, do they still wear the big floppy shoes? Other Chris: Like floppy sandals? Travis: Yeah, flippers. Chris: But their feet look as funny. Chris: Maybe they were flippers. Chris: Maybe that's what they felt like. Travis: That's what I would do. Travis: So, yeah. Travis: He goes and finds the place where someone would have been, where the picture was taken to try to figure out what she was looking at. Travis: Decides it must have been like this corner building. Travis: That's a habitat area. Travis: There's a linguistic note that I didn't quite pick up on because he talked about the difference between what Americans or English would call new evidence versus Swedish. Travis: New proof material. Speaker UNK: Yeah. Travis: That kind of got lost in translation a bit, but it seems the same to me. Travis: New proof material. Travis: So he asked Heinrich to make a call and get him in at the local newspaper, the head of Stead Carrier, who has an extensive photo archive. Travis: And he goes through trying to find any pictures of or near the children's parade, which amazingly, they find a whole bunch. Other Chris: Yeah. Other Chris: I like that. Other Chris: He made a point of saying that they keep binders and binders of these things. Other Chris: I can't remember the exact quote, but he said something to the effect of, like, every newspaper thinks that these are going to be vitally important, and so they never throw anything away. Other Chris: Every single one of these photographs, even though they didn't use them, are of vital historical significance. Travis: Right. Travis: Even the blog. Travis: It's like how I treat my email at work. Other Chris: Yeah. Travis: I cannot delete any of this s*** because one day you ask me a question, I'm like, oh, that was that one thing. Other Chris: Yes. Other Chris: I don't know how many times that saved my a**. Travis: Yeah. Travis: Just saying. Travis: And it totally worked in this case, too. Travis: Yeah. Travis: Much negative scanning is done. Travis: And he finds a picture showing the moment that Harriet's window closed. Travis: And in the window, a figure, a woman, looks a lot like Cecilia Vanger. Other Chris: Oh, my God. Other Chris: The moment opening. Other Chris: A window opening. Chris: Yeah, opening, opening, opening. Travis: There was a transition of window States from one and another was there. Other Chris: It was closed and it became open. Other Chris: I got you by way of some lady that looked like Cecilia trying to mention that. Chris: I think, because that was a mystery. Travis: Yeah. Other Chris: They asked everybody and they all said they didn't do it. Chris: Yeah. Travis: But somebody is lying. Travis: Some lady with medium length blonde hair and a dress that Cecilia was wearing in one of the other pictures, I think. Chris: Yeah. Travis: At least the same style. Other Chris: Light colored. Travis: Yeah. Travis: So he notices that there's a couple in one of these pictures that are also looking at whatever Harriet saw, and they're also taking a picture. Other Chris: Oh, my God. Travis: Then he finds them in a later picture and does his best to ID them via their car, which has writing on it that he struggles to make out and decides it's Norris Joe Snicker of fabric carpentry, apparently, is what that means. Other Chris: Yeah. Travis: Northroe is potentially a region, a town, Sweden town of some kind, real or fictional. Travis: I didn't confirm. Chris: I should go there and find out. Travis: Snickelafabric. Other Chris: Snicker fabric. Other Chris: Something I don't know. Travis: Snickers eye fabric. Other Chris: Yeah. Chris: Delicious. Other Chris: Snickers. Travis: Then Harold Wagner makes an appearance. Travis: Finally, when Michael is stopping by Cecilia's again just to stop in and call her a w**** and then disappear back into, you know, I think he was being compared to Gollum and Lord of the Rings. Speaker UNK: Yeah. Travis: But Cecilia is not there. Travis: She's off to London and then Florida for a few months, which I noted that's one of the places that the pressed flowers came from. Other Chris: Yeah. Other Chris: One of the flowers came from Florida. Travis: Interesting. Other Chris: You wonder if she goes maybe a different place on her holidays every year. Travis: Don't know. Travis: Just don't know. Travis: And then Blanca's daughter just shows up, surprise visit on her way to vacation Bible school. Travis: She's like, you didn't call when you got out of jail day. Travis: And I'm like, oh. Chris: Jeez, I thought she would have been on your list of people to call there might say. Travis: Hi, Michael, which I mean, he's kind of lazy fair, but that's a little too lazy fair. Travis: I don't know. Chris: Yeah. Chris: But even if you don't want to talk to your mom, you call your daughter. Other Chris: That's how we got divorced. Other Chris: I was real busy with this whole murder thing. Chris: Yeah. Chris: I like you, though. Travis: He knows how much, like Harriet, that his daughter is, like religious and based with the same age as when she went missing, which I don't like that at all. Travis: Here for his daughter now. Chris: Yeah. Travis: On her way out, she's like, noticing his Bible quotes on the wall is like, what's that about? Travis: He's like, My what? Travis: Bible quotes. Other Chris: Yeah. Other Chris: And I knew that that's where that was going. Travis: Yeah, that was my question. Travis: I've never seen a notation of a Bible verse that way. Travis: The first number is the book. Chris: Yeah. Travis: And then the chapter inverse. Travis: I've only seen it with a done. Other Chris: Yeah, right. Travis: Like it was going to be Leviticus. Travis: It'd be like Lev instead of three. Other Chris: Well, I would say to keep it hidden. Chris: That makes sense once they explain it. Chris: I'm like, okay, I would never do that that way, of course. Other Chris: But it isn't also, though, that they do kind of explain later on that she's not actually really religious. Chris: Right? Travis: Oh, yeah. Travis: Which one. Other Chris: Harriet's looking this stuff up for to find out connections and stuff a little bit. Other Chris: So she might not actually know the correct way to write the notation of a Bible version. Chris: Because I feel like that comes up through you and pop culture. Chris: But that might even still just be American culture because there's still so many active religious people here. Chris: Even if you don't do religion growing up, you still learn these things because it's around you. Other Chris: Yeah. Chris: I have a feeling it's pretty different in Sweden. Other Chris: I don't know. Other Chris: People are pretty Protestant, probably over there nominally. Chris: I know they are nominally, because a lot of them don't practice, but they are still especially like the Germanic countries and other countries, you're still baptized when you're a baby. Chris: They'll get married in a Church. Chris: That's the only Church interactions most people have. Chris: Like, if they get married, they'll be doing it in a Church and they have a funeral. Chris: But otherwise they don't go. Chris: The only people go are like, grandmas. Travis: Yeah. Travis: Well, you do have people claiming to be super religious here, then call it like, two Kings. Travis: Kings. Chris: Yeah. Travis: No. Chris: And you have the confusing stuff. Chris: We don't separate out our chronicles and Kings. Chris: We don't consider them separate books. Chris: So, like, we can in the printed English side, but not on the Hebrew one. Travis: Yeah. Travis: But anyway, this random order is different. Travis: This random comment unlocks the whole thing. Travis: Those weren't phone numbers at all. Chris: Right. Other Chris: Bibli. Travis: Bibli is dubbook. Chris: Starting next week. Travis: Goes through and look them all up. Travis: And I considered reading them, but I don't want to. Chris: Yeah. Travis: Basically, it's a list of sins and very harsh punishments for those who participate in such things, like laying down with beasts. Other Chris: Leviticus isn't great. Other Chris: Reading. Chris: A Woman's Blood found it is not my favorite section of the tourist cycle. Other Chris: Some of it you're like, yeah, I mean, okay, but then some of it's like, that's kind of arbitrary. Chris: Well, I'll let you in on some of the Jewish secrets the Bible kind of never actually carried out. Other Chris: Right. Chris: And the rabbis later on made, like, the requirements to do so so absolutely difficult that you never could in convention do some of this stuff. Chris: They're like, no, we're not doing that. Chris: We're not going to stone kids. Chris: Like, sorry, this is not what we're going to do. Chris: They make some of the sex stuff. Chris: Like, you have to have, like, four witnesses make a claim to then bring to the court that would then have to judge whether this fits that requirement to do that punishment or not. Chris: We're not doing that. Other Chris: Invite four people to watch you do your dog f******. Chris: Even then the court would find a reason not to kill you. Travis: Basically show is at risk. Chris: They don't really want to do it. Chris: They'll find a way not to Jeez the only thing that would still work, like, if you're just like this reprehensible murderer and there's like, no prison and stuff because you didn't have a lot of that back in ancient days. Other Chris: Right. Chris: Then they'd have to execute you. Chris: But like, you really forced them. Chris: They didn't want to. Travis: Right. Travis: Yeah. Travis: So this is a list of sins and pronouncements against the people that are listed next to them. Travis: Like, wait a minute. Travis: Had an Inspector, what's his name, mentioned a case in the late 40s where a Rebecca had her head placed on hot coals. Other Chris: Oh, my God. Travis: Was her last name J something? Travis: So he asked Heinrich about it. Travis: She's like, oh, yeah, old Rebecca Jacobson and the barbecue Hampton of Jacobson. Travis: I remember it well. Chris: At some point. Chris: I can't remember. Travis: There's a lot of. Travis: I don't remember. Other Chris: Yeah, lots of those. Travis: Anyways, why do you ask? Travis: He's like, I'll tell you later. Travis: But later, his ambulance lights. Travis: Poor Heinrich has had a bit of a heart attack, taken the hospital alive, but in very bad condition. Chris: He he's said, a bad old dude. Chris: He doesn't deserve heart attack, bad luck. Chris: But he's, like, 80. Travis: Or was he shocked when he realized what those numbers were, too? Chris: Oh, my God. Travis: Maybe he figured it out. Travis: Barbecued head wasn't suspicious back in the day, but now it all makes sense, right? Travis: So, yes, Bonquo speaks to the lawyer. Travis: He's like, well, who do I report this to if that guy dies? Travis: Well, I guess he tell me. Chris: Just to me like. Travis: All right, well, here's what I found out, and I need some help. Travis: You know what? Travis: I know just the right girl. Travis: Actually, she's the one who researched you. Travis: He's like, what the h***? Chris: Tell me this till now. Travis: So he demands to read his own research file and notes that it includes a copy of the press announcement they were going to put out that only exists on his computer, right? Other Chris: Oh, my God. Chris: And the report is from days before it was released? Travis: Yes. Travis: He's like, you're a f****** hacker, Ms. Travis: Slander. Chris: Yeah, I'm a what? Chris: He's like, I want you on my side. Travis: That's right. Travis: So smash cut to him, like, busting the f****** part. Travis: Hey, what's up? Chris: I brought some breakfast. Travis: Here's some filled bagels. Travis: Where's your coffee maker? Travis: She's super hungover. Travis: He's like, Get in the shower. Travis: Yeah, while I clean up your old ashtrays. Chris: What happened to her friend Mimi? Chris: Did Mimi just hang out in the bedroom the whole time? Other Chris: No, she left. Other Chris: She was already gone. Travis: They had done what they needed to do, and then she left. Chris: There's a lot of talk about Mimi and how much she likes Mimi because she's not as complicated as some of the dudes that she sleeps with. Travis: Yeah. Chris: And Mimi just makes her feel warm and special, essentially, a little bit. Travis: That's right. Travis: They both know what they want out of each other. Chris: Yeah. Travis: And yes. Travis: Now 260 pages in, our characters have finally really met. Chris: Yeah, right. Other Chris: I was going to mention that they're supposed to. Other Chris: I guess the last time I read a book where it took this long for, like, two characters to meet, I think it was The Valley of Horses. Travis: Oh, Jeez. Other Chris: The sequel, The Clan of the Cave Berries. Travis: Yeah. Other Chris: Because the whole book is like one guy who's walking across Europe, like, literally walking across Europe and Asia to where Ala is hanging out in a cave. Chris: That's where the Denise that the writer didn't know about when they wrote those books. Other Chris: Yeah, don't worry about that. Travis: To El Ron's house by the first 260 pages of that, too. Travis: It's a serious chunk of book. Travis: But anyway, she's like, kind of chill about the whole situation. Travis: She's like, I don't even really know. Travis: He's like, oh, no, you know me better than some of my friends, right? Travis: She's like, well, all right. Other Chris: It was funny how she's kind of surprised how chilly is about it, too. Chris: Yeah. Chris: Like, nobody ever accessed it, but he just got this horror about him that makes it okay, right? Other Chris: I guess this is fine. Travis: This happened. Chris: He brought bagels. Travis: He left in my house with bagels. Travis: I'm at least going to hear you out. Other Chris: Yeah. Travis: Until I've had a bagel. Travis: So, yeah, it's like, I want you to help me to identify a murderer. Travis: So she agrees. Travis: And they have Dragon right up a contract. Travis: I guess she's going to be searching all of Sweden for murders that might match this index to try to figure out who they're talking about. Travis: And Dragon is, like, shocked and maybe a little jealous to see them in her office, like, touching her shoulder and looking at her MacBook. Travis: And she's, like, enjoying. Chris: Yeah. Travis: I wonder if I had treated her like a human being, if she would have done the same for me. Chris: I think he did. Chris: She's just not into him. Chris: So she doesn't act that way. Other Chris: Yeah, exactly. Other Chris: It started whether people like you or not true enough. Chris: And her way of showing she likes people is different because I'm pretty sure she's autistic or something. Travis: Her not planning to poison you is her way of showing her affection. Travis: I didn't want to poison you. Travis: So you're cool? Chris: Yeah. Chris: She's cool with your gun or f***. Chris: His name is she's just not into him, right? Other Chris: Exactly. Travis: Yeah. Travis: He's old. Travis: So Bonques goes back to his cabin and finds that it's been searched by somebody. Travis: So he orders a new deadbolt that very night and pays extra to get it put in. Travis: Right. Chris: Stop. Travis: Right now, in the hospital, he was like, hey, don't die. Travis: Now that things are finally starting to come to light. Chris: Yeah. Travis: But he gets yelled at by Cecilia's brother. Travis: Berger. Travis: Not Berger. Chris: It's hard for me to start from burger, beer, Berger Bearder. Chris: He's a Joker. Travis: And then even Cecilia herself, who came back from a shortened vacation. Travis: They're both like, encouraging him to give this thing up, but he gives us official notice. Travis: Like, we're going to talk on the record, lady. Speaker UNK: Yeah. Travis: Yeah. Travis: The lawyer stops, buys for some Aqua vitamin, and she's going to delicious. Chris: Maybe not the best. Travis: Brand confirms that he's going to hold up this contract while Heinrich. Travis: Unless Heinrich tells motherbios. Travis: Then Bonquis goes on a bit of a field trip to North Shore to show a picture of a couple of people from the anyone like, you know, these guys actually finds people, which is shocking. Chris: Yeah. Chris: Right. Travis: Eventually does. Speaker UNK: Crazy. Travis: Meanwhile, Elizabeth was wondering how she's going to adapt her methods to account for murders that happened before the Internet, but then immediately finds it. Speaker UNK: Yeah. Travis: The first thing is searching for the name and murder. Speaker UNK: Right. Travis: Finds a TV series talking about this exact murder from Handy. Travis: There was something going on in there where it's like Magda was the name, but in the TV show was Magda Luisa. Travis: Sozeberg. Chris: Well, that was the full name. Chris: And she went by Luisa. Travis: I never would have found it. Travis: Yeah, why not? Chris: But Harry wouldn't have known that she went by Luisa if she was just reading about it. Travis: I got you. Chris: So she wrote Magda because most people go by their first name, but not everybody. Travis: Yeah. Travis: So Magda was from the line with beast entry, and she was found dead in a barn, killed with a Pitchfork and also a cow with stabs in the neck. Chris: Yeah. Chris: Laying upon the ground or whatever. Travis: Yes. Chris: Or on the Earth. Travis: Not good times, but. Travis: Yeah. Travis: As we were saying, with some help with some old time folks, Blancuist eventually does find the lady from his photograph. Travis: It's like, you know what happened to have some pictures of that? Travis: Of course I did. Travis: That was my honeymoon. Travis: She's got three pictures, a blurry street or blurry shot of Main Street and her husband and the clowns in the parade and somebody across the street and it tells him absolutely nothing. Travis: There's a couple of times where Martin is checking in and maybe seems to be threatening to pull him off of this Harriet investigation to go back to work on the magazine. Travis: The lawyer thinks maybe it's Isabella, Harriet's mom. Travis: The vampire lady is the one pushing him to get Michael out of there, which is strange. Travis: Little strange. Chris: Yeah, very strange. Travis: Elizabeth takes her Kawasaki up the E Four to visit him at his cabin and show them what she's found. Travis: But she already has 500 pages of a report from the last eleven days. Travis: Jesus. Travis: So she's found all five of the murderers on the list. Travis: I'm sorry. Travis: Murderers, not murderers. Travis: And three more for bonus. Travis: It seemed to fit the amount ranging from, like, 1949 to 1966. Travis: And to spare a lot of very gory details, like, basically all these are list of sins that women had committed and very harsh and mutilated punishments. Travis: Basically, they conclude that no one would have connected these mergers unless they had a key like the one in Harriet spoke. Travis: But they're like, how did the 16 year old girl get a hold of this kind of thing? Other Chris: Yeah. Other Chris: How did she connect to them? Travis: Maybe they have something to do with this family. Travis: Just maybe. Other Chris: Maybe. Travis: And another key they mentioned is all the victims have biblical names. Travis: Jewish names at that. Travis: If you recall, this family is not a big fan. Chris: Well, some of them are, yes. Travis: Some of them 100% on the team, but many of them are not pesky. Chris: Period in the late thirty s to mid forty s. Chris: Right. Travis: When everyone was on vacation. Chris: Right? Travis: Yeah. Travis: So Michael decides he's going to keep Lispathon for a couple more weeks. Travis: Like, I'm not done with this. Other Chris: Right. Travis: By the way, it's not an insane serial killer. Travis: It's just a common b****** who hates women. Travis: She said the thing she did. Other Chris: Yeah. Other Chris: That's the name of the book. Travis: That's the name of the book. Travis: Barnes stops by next day to show Blondquist like a smear piece that the local paper had put in, but I didn't do it wasn't me. Travis: I didn't put it in. Travis: It's probably that barrier getting back at you for not listing at the hospital. Travis: Not Erica. Other Chris: No, not Berger. Chris: This is the Brother Somebody Burger. Travis: Anyway, they have a discussion, and Martin agrees that it's probably best for them to just finish up this research as soon as possible so we can get back to the magazine. Travis: Lisbeth looks through the case files and they both look at the honeymoon pictures using the power of Photoshop. Travis: They decide the figure seems to be like just some dude with a red patch on his arm. Travis: Yeah, maybe in the Red Ribbon Army, maybe a N***. Travis: Probably not the Red Ribbon Army. Travis: But what about this Pastor Otto Folk? Travis: He seems bibley. Travis: Also, like, just apropos of nothing, I did some research on Sadist recently, and they tend to harm animals and sometimes are arsonists. Travis: It seems like his Parsonage burned down in the 70s, so that's interesting. Other Chris: Some D*** whole thing happened. Travis: Yeah. Travis: So you probably want to look into that. Other Chris: Yeah. Travis: Elizabeth, Meanwhile, is having problems figuring this guy out. Travis: Like bombquest. Travis: He seems to respect her as a person. Chris: Except for her weird. Other Chris: So confusing. Travis: And he hasn't once flirted with her, but even though she's terribly skinny, she still is a redblooded woman and has urges and stuff, so she decides she will sleep with him. Travis: My note here is he just seems to fall backwards into women. Other Chris: Yeah, he really does. Travis: Always falling into bed like he's some sort of journalistic. Travis: James Bond, but he's that lucky pervert. Other Chris: And speaking of James Bond. Chris: Oh, yeah, that's what I've been picturing this whole time throughout the book is dangerous. Travis: They mentioned he doesn't have a condom, which I hope doesn't come back later. Travis: But okay, next morning I'm going out for milk, but they find most of the cat on their doorstep and his head on her motorcycle. Travis: And I don't like this book anymore. Chris: Right. Travis: All the murders and stuff were fine, but the cat has been harmed and I'm not cool with that. Other Chris: Yeah. Travis: And it's the cabin cat justice for Jorvan. Speaker UNK: Yeah. Other Chris: Jorvan Jordan. Travis: And that's where we were supposed to read the. Other Chris: Oh, okay. Other Chris: Supposed to stop there. Travis: You're supposed to stop right there. Chris: Ok. Travis: Anyway. Other Chris: Fillers. Chris: Yeah. Travis: Terrible place to end your section. Other Chris: Yeah. Other Chris: Good thing I kept reading. Chris: Yeah, that was smart. Travis: I should have did that. Chris: That's not where I left off, thankfully. Travis: Anyway, so homework is to finish the book. Chris: Okay. Travis: And I'll talk to you guys in chat about when we should try to do that because I got to go pretty soon. Chris: You do? Other Chris: Yeah. Travis: But do you guys have anything else to mention about the reading? Chris: Just I'm curious to see where we end up. Speaker UNK: Yeah. Chris: How we wrap things up, since I don't really remember. Chris: And like I said, I'm sure it's different. Chris: The details will be very different from what I have seen depicted. Chris: I think the overall thing will be the same, of course, but I don't remember enough anymore, which is helpful. Chris: Makes it more exciting. Travis: Yes. Travis: It's like learning all over again. Chris: Yeah. Other Chris: I think they did throw some hints in there. Other Chris: They did do some foreshadowing, and there have been some. Other Chris: There are the hints about the Nazism and there are the hints about certain things, but maybe red herrings. Other Chris: Who knows, right? Other Chris: Who knows what's going on? Travis: Yeah. Travis: Stop trying really hard to figure out mysteries anymore. Travis: I'm like, whatever, just tell me. Chris: Yeah, that's my thing. Chris: I've never been a mystery reader who's trying to solve the puzzle. Other Chris: Really? Chris: That hard? Chris: Like, I'm on for the ride. Other Chris: There was one offhand comment that really jumped out at me, and I'm not going to say what it was. Travis: Yeah. Travis: Because it'll spoil it. Other Chris: Yeah. Other Chris: If it turns out to be correct, it's a spoiler. Chris: Got you. Other Chris: Yeah, exactly. Other Chris: I'll tell you, if I was right, I'll write it down in the sealed envelope or whatever. Travis: Perfect. Other Chris: I am opening the envelope. Travis: All right. Chris: Okay. Travis: Quick call for anything else. Travis: That is good. Other Chris: So I haven't started watching it yet, but I'm really excited about our flag means death. Chris: Oh, yeah. Chris: I did put that in my watch list. Other Chris: Yeah, I can't wait. Other Chris: I watched a YouTube video about this guy, like, a while back, and I can't remember who produced it. Other Chris: If it was like Fabish Dandy guy who essentially becomes a pirate in the Caribbean, in the Atlantic. Travis: Yeah. Other Chris: And he's a terrible pirate, basically, and gets taken advantage of and has all kinds of bad stuff happen. Other Chris: But Tyco, ITT decided to make a comedy about it starring Reese Derby as the gentleman pirate. Other Chris: That is going to be amazing. Other Chris: I'm really looking forward to it. Travis: I'm already sold. Chris: Yeah. Travis: What is that on? Chris: Did you say HBO, man? Travis: Hbo. Chris: Yes. Travis: Hobo. Travis: Okay. Chris: Yeah. Travis: Cool. Travis: Regular Chris. Chris: Just teaching. Chris: Watching s***, randomly. Travis: Learning kids. Travis: Yeah, learning kids about school and s*** about histories. Chris: We'll try them. Chris: They're not really into learning questions that I can then go find the answers to and not actually read the material and formulate for myself. Chris: So that's what I'm battling right now. Chris: How do I get you to actually engage with the material? Travis: Yeah. Chris: There was one kid I had to tell. Chris: He's like, well, what's the answer to this question? Chris: And I said, that's the glory of it. Chris: There is no answer. Chris: You have to think of it yourself, and you have to write about something like what you're thinking about this passage. Chris: That's why I put it there. Chris: So you couldn't look it up. Chris: No. Other Chris: See, when I was teaching, I would never do that because I wouldn't want to grade it. Chris: Well, if I trusted them to actually engage with the material, which I don't, I would do that. Chris: But since they've demonstrated that they don't engage with the material, they just Hunt for the right answer. Chris: I'm doing the reverse. Travis: Yeah. Travis: Smart. Travis: Smart. Chris: Try and try my best to make sure they go to the next class with whatever foundation they need. Travis: Right. Travis: Which is good. Travis: The thing I was going to mention is I just finished listening to We've Always Lived in the Castle. Travis: Was it Shirley Jackson on Audible? Travis: It was really good. Travis: There's a lot more to say about it, but we don't have time. Travis: We don't have time. Travis: And I don't think I've thought it through enough to speak eloquently about it. Travis: But basically the thing I liked is that it was a, I don't know, kind of like a Twilight Zone episode. Travis: I knew it was going to be sort of like that going in knowing the author, but at any time, I wasn't really sure what the thing was going to be. Travis: Right. Speaker UNK: Yeah. Travis: Is this girl like a ghost or whole family ghosts? Travis: Are the people in town like zombies or something? Travis: What's going on? Travis: Because the way they set up the story was one of these ones where they reveal plot points through dialogue. Travis: So it could have been like a play. Travis: So you don't really know what's going on until people tell you. Travis: But it didn't feel cheap, like it was cheating. Travis: But basically what I decided it was at the end of the day was the story of how a local urban legend got started about like a haunted house. Speaker UNK: Okay. Chris: I look forward to hearing more. Travis: It was really good. Travis: And the audiobook in particular was really good. Travis: The lady who read it did a great job. Travis: At one point, I was like, is this narrator a cat? Travis: Because she's hanging out with her cat all the time and people kind of treat her like she's a kid, even though she'd be like 18. Travis: Yeah, but yeah, the story of what's going on with her family and why the people in town seem to hate them so much. Travis: It's very interesting. Travis: I'd recommend it. Travis: Cool. Travis: All right. Travis: At the end, I'm going to hit Nathan Drake. Travis: God d***. Travis: Okay. Travis: That was our session for today. Travis: Easy homework assignment to remember for this time. Travis: Just finish the book, like when there aren't any more pages. Travis: You're done, man. Travis: One quick thing for on second thoughts today, the audiobook version of We Have Always Lived in the Castle that I was referring to just a bit ago was read by Bernadette Dunn, who did just a fantastic job, like really nailed that specific tone that you want in a mostly normal but sort of creepily unsure story set in a small town with a sort of old timey timber without being camping. Travis: You know, I also listened to her read The Haunting of Hill House and she was great there too. Travis: So highly recommend both. Travis: Today's episode was found fastidiously, stored in a newspaper archive room thanks to Chris Chris Ham, Chris Other, Chris Jacobson. Travis: It was edited by me, Travis Rowe and was sponsored by no One In Particular. Travis: Until Next Time, Keep Buying f****** Reading. Travis: I Have A Quick Elden Ring Update And I'll Get Out Of The Way. Travis: Bother You Guys With It. Travis: I Suck At This Game. Travis: It's So Hard. Other Chris: Like. Travis: Open World Now, Which Is Fine. Travis: It's Not Always My Favorite Thing Because I'm Like, I Don't Know What To Do. Travis: What The H*** Do I Do? Travis: Do All The Things Like Go To That Mountain. Travis: It'll Take You 7 Hours To Get There. Other Chris: Hey, Are There, Like Flags To Collect? Other Chris: Because You Have To Collect All The Flags. Travis: Not that I Know Of. Other Chris: Or Like Whatever It Is. Travis: There Are Ingredients To Collect, Though, That Are Just In Bushes. Travis: I'm Like, S***, Got To Get Some Blood Roses. Travis: But The Thing Is, It's Populated With Random Giant Monsters. Travis: I'm Like, Do I Fight Them? Travis: Are These Bosses Or Just, Like, Annoying Things For Later On, like Running Through A Lake And A Giant F****** Lobster Comes Out? Travis: I'm Like Run Away. Travis: Run Away, I Guess To Fight Them. Travis: I Don't Know. Chris: Yeah, I Feel Like All Of These Are Possibilities. Travis: Spent Like An Hour Fighting A Random Guy I Was Sure Was A Mini Boss That I Had To Get Past And Didn't Get The Light. Travis: Random Guy Enemy Vanquished Screen Afterwards, so It Wasn't Even Something I Had To Do. Other Chris: I Could Have Just You Could Have Just Run Cars Around. Travis: Like On My Horse And Gone Around Like, God D*** It. Travis: So That's The Frustrating Part. Travis: Spending A Lot Of Time In Getting Not A Lot Of Progress Out Of It. Other Chris: Well, You Know, Get Good, get Good. Travis: I Guess I Did Kill A Wig And I Got Its Uterus As A Collectible Item Afterwards, Which I Don't Want To Know what You Do With That Sounds Terrible. Travis: Just Throw It Away, I'm sure. Chris: But I Thought The Creature Collectibles In Valhalla Were Kind Of Weird, But They Make More Sense Comparably. Chris: They're Just Stuck Head Land. Travis: Octopus, you're Going To Make Some Armor Out Of It, I Guess. Travis: I Hope Not. Travis: But I Laughed Because Simon Told Me Yesterday I Was Like, Dad, I Heard You Swearing Last Night. Travis: I'm Like, Oh, Sorry About that. Chris: Like Son Of A B****. Chris: Oh, Wait. Chris: I Just Did It Again. Travis: I Was Like, This M*********** Just Keeps Killing Me. Travis: Killing.