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Travis: McDonald's forgot to put in silverware for me

Chris: I got lucky. I, uh, have a cinnamon roll to eat, and McDonald's, uh, forgot to put in silverware, but apparently past me, brought up a fork and left it here. So I was like, hooray. Good. Thanks. Past me.

Danielle: It is my favorite when you order food and then they don't give you silverware. Like, do you think, uh, sometimes I might be ordering from, like, work or something? Like, how am I going to eat this? There is no silverware for me. And they're like, well, use your hands, I guess.

Travis: Hello, and welcome back to RTFB. This is Travis. And today we're listening to a conversation that Chris, other Chris, Danielle, and I had last year about one of the most frequently banned books in America. Are you there, God? It's me, Margaret. By Judy Bloom. Yes. That scandalous and salacious tome that dared to disclose that women do, in fact, go through puberty and get their periods and buy bras. That woke manifesto that had the gall to suggest that teenage girls might have certain feelings about going through that process and then just completely wipes its ass with tradition by exploring growing up in a mixed religion household. The shame of it all. But since shame is our middle names, we're talking about that book and the 2023 movie of the same name today. If you've never seen the movie as of the time of this recording, it looks like it's available to stream if you have a stars subscription or to rent from all your usual streaming suspects.


Chris: McDonald's fries don't have the same taste as they used to

All right, let's get back to my conversation with the Chris's and Danielle, already in progress.

Chris: Ooh, that sounds good. I'm not happy.

Other Chris: You know, everyone knows that the best part of the muffin is the top question.

Chris: Yeah.

Danielle: So when you just buy that, it's amazing.

Travis: I just wish they really did bake a whole muffin and throw the stem away to make the muffin. It's better that way.

Chris: I would think they just recycle it into something. Some other muffin.

Travis: Yeah. They could have muffies and, like, pucks.

Danielle: Yes.

Chris: Muffin pucks.

Other Chris: The muffin puck.

Travis: Yep. I don't know. Am I on screen?

Chris: No.

Other Chris: Barely.

Travis: Barely.

Other Chris: Can you put it more on you.

Danielle: And take it off me?

Chris: Oh, uh, you can do that. I also appreciate McDonald's new bag game. Apparently, it's got, uh, like, shit that it's in.

Danielle: Wow.

Chris: Is it reversed for you? It's reversed for me.

Danielle: Says the office.

Chris: Yeah, well, they've been doing cute shit. Like, the top of their lids for their plastic cups have little sayings, like, since they used the same one for sodas as the iced coffees. Mine says keep it bubbly. But this one. McDonald's bag feature as featured in Space Jam uh, fallen angels ub illin by Run DMC the office us coming to America Seinfeld episode the boyfriend brief answers to big questions by Stephen Hawking Pomo Kwando Edande by awkward choc day India, the Fast and the Furious Tokyo drift. The best one. Oh, um, and the upcoming season two of, ah, Loki.

Danielle: Oh, Loki's gonna have McDonald's in it.

Chris: Yeah. Cause it's got an asterisk by it.

Travis: Now we're definitely watching God for sure.

Chris: Yeah. I'm like, you know what? McDonald's good on you. You're up in your game a bit.

Travis: Yeah.

Chris: But they're trying to appeal to the younger kids. Cause they just don't eat McDonald's, apparently.

Danielle: Well, their fries don't taste right anywhere.

Chris: They're okay, but, yeah, they're not quite the same.

Other Chris: So hit orange for me.

Chris: So they took that one fat out of it. Yeah, I agree.

Danielle: Is that why it doesn't taste good? Put it back. I don't care what it does. Like, that's what made the fries good.

Chris: Well, at this point, uh, like, it makes sense when you're 20 not to eat a lot of that, whatever that fat is. But, like, come on now. If we ate a lot of it, it's gonna be at least 15 years before it really does anything to us.

Travis: I ain't got 15 years left. Let's go.

Chris: And by then, we'll just pop a pill, like. Like we do now.

Danielle: That's, uh, right.

Chris: I.

Danielle: That's right. McDonald's, we like their chicken nuggets, but, like, really only if they're, like, fresh and hot and crispy.

Travis: Yeah, yeah.

Chris: I only really get their. Their nuggets and fries because the fries are, like I said, they're okay when.

Danielle: They are okay when they're. When they're hot and fresh, they're like, fine. But I swear, they just don't take. They don't have the same taste like they used to. They don't hold up to be the best fries. And it's not the best fries anymore. There's no.

Other Chris: See, if. If you get a good cheeseburger, it's good.

Chris: Yeah.

Other Chris: If you get a bad cheeseburger, it is like, the worst thing ever.

Travis: Yes.

Other Chris: Sometimes it's so disappointing. Do I want to gamble on this today? I don't know.

Chris: Sometimes I get the fucking classic McDonald's burger, like, from the dollar menu. It's probably not the two dollar menu.

Other Chris: So given the inflation, I will get just cheeseburgers. But, yeah, it really depends on which one you go to and what fucking day it is. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, you got to call ahead and be like, oh, is Tim back there today?

Danielle: Tim knows how I like my burgers.

Other Chris: Exactly.

Chris: So I started going almost every day after school to get a coffee. Yeah, I need that refresh.


It's hip hop's 50th birthday this weekend

And, ah, it's funny because there's this one, like, 20 year old woman who works on Fridays or something, so she used to do the, um, app orders, like, taking them out to cars and shit. So I became a regular. So she used to be excited to see me.

Other Chris: Yeah.

Chris: Awesome. And she put extra. Well, thank you. She put extra caramel in my coffee for me. She's like, I put an extra pump in for you. I'm like, oh, thanks. That makes it awesome. Like, I appreciate it, but I'm like, I'm also a regular now at a McDonald's. I don't know how I feel about that.

Other Chris: Oh, it's fine.

Travis: It's fine in Springfield, especially if it's like, I'm getting a coffee.

Other Chris: Well, in Springfield, it's better than being a regular at a gas station when they're like, oh, I know what brand of cigarettes you buy.

Chris: That's true.

Travis: Well, it's 03:00 a.m. um, here's Chris.

Danielle: I'm trying to tell a story.

Travis: I'm sorry.

Danielle: In Springfield, when I worked at.

Other Chris: Wait, wait, wait, wait.

Danielle: Right next door was a McDonald's, so we would walk over sometimes, and we. Me and, like, the other lady that I worked with a lot, we would. We would. I guess before COVID we would share, like, a chocolate shake. We wouldn't even get our own. We would just share it. But we would have them put hot fudge in it for us. And they got used to, like, seeing us come in. They're like, ah, the hot fudge shake. Like, yes, we would like to have that place.

Chris: Yep, yep, yep.

Travis: This is, um, apropos of nothing, but I've been seeing a lot of advertisements that. It's hip hop's 50th birthday, like, this weekend.

Danielle: What?

Travis: Oh, really?

Chris: Oh, uh, really?

Travis: Like, I didn't realize there was, like, a start date, apparently. I didn't know you could do that for a musical genre.

Chris: You can when it gets old enough. I guess it's probably based on somebody's first performance.

Travis: Yeah. So 50 years ago, I didn't really.

Chris: Realize hip hop was going 50 years ago, but I guess how it could.

Travis: Blow up in the 1870, like, 1973.

Chris: We would have to look, I don't.

Other Chris: Want to just save culture for later.

Travis: Yeah. Looking it up is hard.

Danielle: Yeah.

Travis: M. It just struck me as odd that they're like, yeah, 50 years of hip hop.

Other Chris: We can put a date on it.

Travis: Um, well, they were. Sprite is the one who was pushing it in our, like, movie theaters, like, celebrating 50 years of hip hop. We're sprite.

Danielle: And I'm like, nobody. Sprite is not a hip hop drink, y'all.

Chris: Maybe it was 50 years ago.

Danielle: I don't think so.

Other Chris: For whatever reason. Uh, I don't know. Like, they have always had, uh, sort of black oriented advertising for as long as I can remember anyway.

Travis: Yep. True. They're part of the community, hun.

Danielle: I guess they made their bottle not green anymore for the environment, but, like, it's weird. And I never, like, realized that. Sprite. It's like, is that diet sprite?

Chris: No, it's just sprite, apparently. Yeah, the green bottle. Come on, folks. I don't really think it's saving that much.

Danielle: Burn the world faster. Keep the green bottles.

Travis: Put the fat back in the fries.

Chris: Um, making green glass isn't hard to do.

Danielle: Glass people are stupid. We'll have glass everywhere.

Travis: Yeah.

Other Chris: And an entropy whirlpool that is hastening the heat. Glass is universe.

Chris: Glass is much more recyclable than plastic anyway. So we're gonna save the planet.


Your recycling plan in the past was to ship it to China

Go back to glass.

Danielle: My favorite thing is that we have a whole regular sized trash can and a regular sized recycle bin. And I've watched the trash guy take both of them.

Travis: Yep.

Danielle: So, like, good thing I recycled that out and they just put it right in the trash.

Chris: That's because your recycling plan in the past was ship it to China. So when China four years ago, four or five years ago, said, we're not taking your shit anymore. We don't want your cycling. Your city had no alternative plan, and that's what's been happening to all the recycling sids.

Other Chris: Well, I would say. I would say that that's what happens to most recycling anyway. It just happened is now, after you see it, we are, right? Like. Like, oh, we. We take it in two separate bins, but really, it's all going in the.

Chris: Fucking like we do. And we have separate days.

Other Chris: And even. Even when you shipped it to China, like, it probably went into a landfill there, too, right?

Chris: It did. For sorting later.

Danielle: Like, they can only recycle so much. We don't have the. We don't have the technology. Apparently.

Travis: It's hard. It's really, it's actually really hard to recycle.


Danielle went through puberty when she was seven

Uh, so here's my great transition.

Other Chris: Okay.

Travis: Hey, so you know this book, right? This book we read, right?

Chris: The one you read? I didn't read it.

Travis: Yeah.

Other Chris: Ah, I read it.

Chris: Good.

Travis: I read it too.

Danielle: I didn't read it.

Travis: I didn't read it. Uh, but you know, all our fans were clamoring. They're like, we really want to hear like 340 year old white guys talk about getting their period for the first time. Yeah, I want to hear it too. Answering the call.

Danielle: Tell me about this.

Other Chris: Oh my God. I think when I sent my sister a message, uh, after, after I finished reading it, and I was like, being a 6th grade girl really fucking sucks. My takeaway from this book, it sucks.

Danielle: It was seven for me, but yes.

Chris: Yeah, I can tell only from the 6th grade girls I have taught and how like, frustrating life seems to be.

Other Chris: Yeah, yeah.

Chris: So I was like, oh, yeah, okay. I saw that in some of my students. Like, that's how they acted at school. Mm hmm. You know?

Travis: Yeah, yeah.

Chris: And the movie, I'm like, oh, I like this teacher, he gives me ideas.

Other Chris: Yeah.

Chris: Like, I could do that with my kids first day. All right, well, I like the idea of the first, my first week or so. I'm like, all right, guys write this stuff out.

Travis: Yeah.

Chris: Your name, what I like, what I don't like.

Travis: Yeah.

Chris: Things like that. My kid, then they'll be like, ooh, writing. Like, you gotta do it. We'll do a lot of it this year. Yep.

Travis: Yeah. Um, so what I didn't want to do is be like, oh, yeah, well, I went through puberty too. And so I know everything about being a twelve year old girl. Like, I remember wanting to have to shave and that was cool. And I also don't want to be like, danielle, you're our ambassador to womanhood. So tell us everything about having a uteruse, right?

Chris: But I mean, we all know the mechanics, right?

Travis: Did you ever feel like there was a time where you're like, I wish I would get this, or were you already clued in like, this is gonna be miserable, like for 40 years of my life after this?

Danielle: Um, um, so I don't really know that I was like thinking about it too much. Cause I was actually one of the first of my friends to get it. So then it just happened and I was like, it was like the, the day before 7th grade, um, orientation when you went to pick up your schedule and get your picture taken. So it was like that night before, like, in the middle of, like, I was watching something very late, and I'm like, uh oh.

Travis: Do you remember what you're watching? Like, did it trick?

Danielle: What was I watching? I don't remember. I was watching something and it was like my mom was asleep.

Travis: Uh-huh.

Danielle: My sister was asleep, and I was watching something in my room. I remember waking up to tell my mom. I'm like, I think, like, this just happened. She's like, oh, well, I. Here's this pad. And she went back to bed, and that was just like the end of it. It's like, okay. It's like, this is weird.

Travis: Yeah.

Chris: Mm mhm hmm.


Margaret grew up with a mother who was in nursing education

Travis: Well, uh, back to school in order.

Danielle: Yeah, I was like, great, so I'm gonna go, like, back to school. And like, I always felt like. You always felt very self conscious in the bathroom if you had to, like, open the package because it was like, loud and noisy.

Travis: Yeah.

Danielle: Uh, people could hear you even though it was all other girls, but like, like candy.

Chris: Why would that matter?

Danielle: I don't know. It was still, like everyone was, like, embarrassed about it.

Travis: Yeah. Why?

Chris: I don't know.

Danielle: It was just a thing. It's embarrassing because not everybody had it at that point.

Travis: Right.

Chris: Well, but you knew you were gonna get it. Like, maybe they didn't. I don't know.

Danielle: I don't know. Maybe they didn't pay attention to those human growth and development videos we had to watch throughout all those years.

Travis: Yeah.

Other Chris: Or, you know, maybe their parents were like, no, periods are evil and you're never getting one.

Danielle: You know what, though? I was like, oh, awesome. Like, I'm gonna use this, like, when I don't want to do gym stuff, right? Except for my gym teacher was a lady. And when I tried that one time, she's like, nah, walking will help get out there. She likes it. The male teachers are like, oh, whatever you need, go sit down. But the female teacher's like, no, you can. You can do this.

Chris: Yeah, I had kids try to like, get. Throw me off last year.

Other Chris: Whenever, you just have to be like, mmm.

Chris: Mhm.

Other Chris: Period. And then most guys will be like.

Chris: Oh, Jesus, let me not talk about this. Not me.

Other Chris: Whatever I can do to avoid this conversation.

Chris: I grew up with a mother who was in nursing education and obstetrics. So she dealt with the ultimate, uh, results of periods and, uh, who was very happy to answer questions from her curious child. So I'm just like, okay. Yeah, but like, I had kids last year, like, try to throw me off and like, get me to like, oh, never do whatever. Like, they're like, mister ham, I need to, like, go get a pad for my period. I'm like, okay, yeah, like, here's a pass. They're like, you're not weirded out? I'm like, no, like, it's just a thing that happens. Like, I'm sorry. Like, I'm sorry it happened in the middle of class. Like, I get that. But, like, we'll be here when you get back. Don't worry about it. They're like, oh, okay. So then they learn later. They could just be like, hey, got that thing to do. I'm like, all right, don't take too long. Go get what you need, you know?

Travis: Yeah. Uh, I guess the question I still have about it, you know, even, you know, having been alive for this long and lived with a woman for however many years.

Other Chris: Yeah.

Travis: The same question Margaret had, like, what does it feel like?

Danielle: It's gross.

Travis: That doesn't explain it to me.

Danielle: It's like, so gross.

Travis: Is it like blowing your nose? Like, is it like, if you've got a congestion, blowing your nose?

Chris: Probably not.

Danielle: So most of that. I mean, like, well, you get, you get cramps, which are horrible.

Travis: Yeah.

Chris: Mm mhm hmm.

Travis: That I can understand.

Danielle: Headaches and bloating. You just feel like you want to kill everyone.

Chris: Mm mhm hmm.

Travis: Uh, wait, how is that different from your everyday, though?

Danielle: I mean, it's not like that for me personally, but. Yeah, and then, like, I know usually, like, if you wear, like, most women like to wear tampons because you don't, like, feel as much, but like, sometimes when you're having it, like, if you're, like, not expecting it, it comes on, it just feels like a, uh, gush and you're like, oh, okay, well, there's that.

Chris: Mm hmm.

Danielle: M. Yeah, it's not very pleasant. I actually just had a, uh, little procedure yesterday, so I don't have to have those anymore, so.

Chris: Oh, nice.

Danielle: I hate them so much.

Travis: That's the goal at least.

Danielle: Yeah, yeah.

Travis: Uh, yeah, like, that's. I feel like I can conceptualize, like, having cramps and a headache and being in a bad mood, but not to.

Chris: The same degree, though.

Travis: I don't, I don't understand the planning that would go into, like, at one point in the next couple of days, I'm gonna randomly have fluid leaking out of me.

Danielle: Well, and so I learned at a young age, like, uh, you might as well just like, know, like, about the time and like, maybe a day or so ahead of when it's supposed to, like, you be prepared, like, prep for that. How have your stuff like in place.


As you get older, your period gets worse, Mandy says

Travis: Yeah.

Danielle: Because, uh, some women don't, and then they're like, well, I just like bled out everywhere. It's like, well, even it was coming. Why don't you just have something in there? Get a liner, get a pet, whatever.

Chris: Like on your white pants.

Danielle: Yeah. You don't have to worry about that stainy stuff. They actually make like period panties now, which are like, awesome. I wish we had had those when I was. Yeah, period swimwear. Very helpful.

Other Chris: Yeah, I mean, I mean, all of the commercials tell me that you can play tennis.

Danielle: So I can tell you that as, as you get older, it gets worse.

Other Chris: Mm mhm hmm.

Danielle: Way worse. And there would be certain days, like period, uh, day two is usually for most women, the worst. And like, I wouldn't want to do really anything that day because you just don't know what's gonna happen. So I didn't want to swim. I didn't want to like run, don't want to do anything because then you're like, what if even as you've got your products and they fail sometimes on those days when you're heaven.

Chris: Yeah. Right.

Danielle: I hope the whole world enjoys everyone.

Travis: That's what they come to this podcast.

Danielle: Um, hearing about that pretty.

Chris: Oh, Sharon, Sharon will love it.

Danielle: It's pretty awesome.

Other Chris: You'll feel some comfort.

Chris: Yes. Sisterhood.

Danielle: And I swear, like, I'm the one guy in Zambia, some people are lucky and get like long cycles. And I am not lucky and I do not have a long cycle. I have like a 25 day cycle where some people have 28 to 31, I have 25. So that's awful in itself. And then every time we would be on vacation, I swear to God, there it was, getting ready to run the Disneyland ten miler.

Travis: Mhm.

Danielle: And I'm like, oh, good. My cycle, it's not supposed to start until two days after I run this race, so I won't have to deal with it. When did it start? The day before. So what was, uh, the day of the race period? Day two.

Travis: Awesome.

Danielle: Running 10 miles, like, your body heard.

Chris: You wanted to do a thing and say, nope.

Danielle: Oh my God. And it like does that shit all the time. And so I finally just took it into my own hands and I'm like, fuck you, you're out.

Chris: Yeah. Uh, might as well get rid of you.

Danielle: You were, I don't need any more babies. We don't need to do this anymore.

Chris: I know a lot of women, I think, especially around our age, have been doing that getting this stuff so they don't have to have them really much at all. And I'm m like, you know what? Hearing about it and all that stuff like that makes fucking great sense. Like, if you can do it. Yeah. You know?

Other Chris: Yeah.

Travis: Um, yeah.

Other Chris: I mean, like, yeah, they have drugs and stuff now that are just like, you can have your period once a year, maybe just get it all out.

Danielle: But, like, those are all very bad for you and, like, cause more cancers.

Other Chris: It's true. Yeah, but what's worse, you know, talking early of cancer or dealing with a period every month for, you know, the next 20 some odd years?

Travis: Yeah, it's true.

Danielle: But I actually had a procedure that's called an ablation, and so what they went in is they scraped everything out of there. It's gone, like, so I won't have that anymore, hopefully. Or if so, it'll be very light. I had never heard of this before.

Other Chris: Yeah, like, some of my friends fucking sandblasted you.

Danielle: I think that they described it, like, they put something in there and it, like, burned it out. Oh, I was, I was under anesthesia.

Travis: It was a soldering.

Chris: Yeah. Yeah, I would imagine.

Other Chris: Oh, Mandy.

Chris: So then that's pretty new.

Danielle: Yeah, it's. Yeah, a lot, a lot of women have been starting to get that now, though, and they're like, total game changer. And I'm like, well, yeah, if you're like, but you don't. We can't do that. If you're still planning to have children or if you have the possibility of getting pregnant, even if you don't want to have children, if somebody could still potentially get you pregnant, like, there's nothing anymore for a baby to attach to, right. M so it would be dangerous for you and that, uh, fetus. You'd likely miscarry. You could, you know, bleed out, that kind of thing. So you just have to make sure that you're in the right stage of your life for it. So, like, 20 year old, you're probably not going to get that, right. Like me coming on 40. Uh, I don't, I don't need it anymore. So take it out.

Chris: Yeah.

Travis: Flip that switch to off.

Chris: Right?

Danielle: Yes.

Chris: Give nature a helping hand.


I dealt with it since I was twelve. Yeah, long enough. I have put in my time, I would say

Danielle: I dealt with it since I was twelve. I have put in my time, I would say so.

Other Chris: Yes.

Chris: Yes.

Travis: Long enough.

Danielle: Long enough.

Travis: Yeah, long enough.

Danielle: I thought it was so cute in this movie, though, how she's like, oh, I got it. I'm like, oh, you're so sweet. Like, you think this is so great, and just wait. Yeah, you're just gonna hate it.

Travis: Yeah. Well, again, that's, uh, uh, again, not to equate the two, but, like, I remember in middle school being like, man, I, uh, can't wait till I can have to shave.

Chris: Yeah.

Travis: People being like, you don't want to have to deal with that. Like it's a pain in the ass because you have to do it all the time.

Chris: Yeah. And I have opted for most of my life.

Travis: Yeah, well, styles have changed that. It's not really a requirement anymore, but.

Chris: Yeah, it was kind of iffy when I was in high school, like, not shaving because they made us, like, thinking about it. I'm like, I might have to do this for jobs I want. But thankfully, by the time we were, like, finishing college, people were like, oh, yeah, beards are okay as long as it's groomed. And then, you know, ten years ago, beards were the bomb.

Danielle: So I think they still are. Most people are like, facial hair these days.

Chris: There's just a little bit of a, like, you can't really have a hipster beard.

Other Chris: I went from not having to shave to, uh, having to shave again because now my head is completely bald.

Chris: Well, I still have a different area of your head. Yeah. I'm trying to get the best out of mine, Chris, but it's not going too well. So soon enough I'm gonna have to join you again in the shaved head club.

Travis: Yeah.

Chris: Yeah.

Danielle: I feel like there are so many people now with shaved heads. And it just works.

Chris: Yeah, it does. Honestly works. You just do like you and just wear a hat.

Other Chris: Yep.

Chris: You know, when you need warmth or.

Danielle: Head cover, you can wear a good. You wear a hat too, because you wear it even with your hair and you still look good. So you got it.

Travis: That's because he's fancy. It's called style, honey.

Other Chris: It's called dripdeh.

Chris: My biggest thing I remember wanting in puberty was chest hair.

Travis: Oh, yeah.

Chris: Cuz that, like, came in last for me for some reason.

Travis: Yeah.

Chris: I don't know why. Like, I got my leg in my arm hair and then I just had like, nothing there. And I'm like, oh, God, I'm gonna be one of those like dolphin people or something. But then like overnight, like one night, just so now I don't have that worry. I have more of an abundance. And I'm okay with that.

Travis: Yeah.

Chris: So if I rock seventies styles, I'd be seeing that all the time. But no one likes that apparently, these days.

Travis: Well, yeah. I feel lucky that, uh, we didn't have to deal with like, what was this kid's name? Leroy. And being like, uh, I can think of where you need to add those inches. Like, having a very visible indicator whether you've gone through that or not.

Chris: I was never an asshole about that shit. So just.

Danielle: Just because, uh, you got your period didn't mean you automatically got boobs right now.

Travis: But, you know, like, what I'm saying.

Danielle: Is, like, don't have them and they've had their period for a long time.

Travis: So, yeah, I guess. I guess there were people like, oh, he must be grown up because he's getting a mustache or something.

Chris: I remember people think we thought that about each other, but I don't. Like.

Travis: Yeah, but anyway, so.


Chris and I read the book and saw the movie together

So let's back up a little bit. Like, uh. Okay, so Chris and I read the book. We all saw the movie. I thought the movie was pretty much a one to one. Like, you missed out on some of the interiority of Margaret's thinking, but they covered. Yeah, it pretty well.

Chris: Thought the movie was pretty cute.


This long of a uterus is so frank about discussing menstruation

Danielle: So Rachel McAdams was awesome as a mother?

Chris: She was extremely.

Travis: Yes. I thought most of the moms. Well, three fourths of the bombs were pretty cool in this movie. A lot of her time, like you said, for you, what happened with you was like, oh, all right, well, let me help you out with dealing with the situation. But, um. But, yeah, like, I'd never read this book in middle school, but I'd always kind of known about it.

Chris: Right.

Travis: Uh, but I. I had read a lot of Judy Bloom. Like, if you ever read, um.

Chris: Oh, really? I've never read any of her stuff.

Travis: Super fudge or tales of a fourth grade. Nothing like those were in heavy rotation when I was a kid.

Other Chris: Yeah, I remember reading around once, I think.

Travis: Yeah, well, and, uh, in general, Judy Bloom's books show up on a lot of banned book lists because she doesn't seem to have a qualm with making her kids real and dealing with things that kids actually deal with. Like.

Chris: Right, right.

Travis: Uh, you know, in this book, like being really anxious about getting your period or dealing, uh, with questions about religion or, uh, the super fudge series.

Danielle: I'm sure this is banned in Florida, for sure.

Chris: Oh, you know it is.

Danielle: Yeah, for sure. Sorry, Florida. Probably shouldn't listen to this.

Chris: Either come up north or go find a cool librarian, because I bet you they still have copies somewhere. Kids wink.

Travis: Yeah.

Other Chris: And go to go to any library, man.

Travis: Yeah. So, like, um, in the super fudge books, I guess they banned them because the kid is not in love with his little brother. Or dealing with that crap. Uh, and in one of the books that I know I've read but don't really remember blubber dealing with, like, body issues and, um, bullying schools.

Danielle: Maybe I haven't. I might have read that one, but I can't remember. Yeah, like, that sounds familiar to me.

Travis: And then there's her book forever, which, like, she acknowledges that teenagers have sex with each other, and so, like, that can't fly.

Chris: Oh, heaven forbid.

Travis: So, like, this one has been brought up about frank discretion of menstruation. But, like, did it. Did it really have that? I guess they talked about it happening. I mean, and that there's blood involved.

Chris: And they have the part where they watch the. You, uh, know, the classic health video, but we all see that shit, so.

Travis: Right. This long of a uterus is so frank about this discussion of menstruating.

Chris: Yeah, I think that's the frankness. But it should be frank, like, yeah, girls and women should be able to talk about this shit because it's important.

Other Chris: Yeah, right.

Chris: Like, it's not something you hide. It's part of life.

Other Chris: Right, exactly.

Danielle: Like, I tell you what. If men got periods, like, you guys be talking about it all the time.

Chris: Fuck, yeah.

Other Chris: We would be talking about it as much as we talk about jerking off.

Danielle: There'd also be, like, probably better, uh, medications and, like, solutions for some of these.

Travis: We'd have solved it by now.

Danielle: Yeah.

Chris: Unfortunately, you are correct. That would be the case because we would have been trying to solve it for centuries.

Travis: Yeah.

Chris: So just be like, ah, women. They can deal with that shit. Yeah.

Travis: So I kind of feel like people who want this book banned are using that as, like, a smokescreen to be like, oh, she doesn't exactly have a great relationship with religion in this book, and I don't want my kids thinking about that. So let's pile on that side of it instead.

Danielle: That's what made Rachel Adams the best.

Travis: Yeah.

Danielle: She's like, she's nothing we're not doing.

Chris: And I get why. And, like. Cause part of me is like, well, you're just hurt. I'm from your experience, but it's also a very real.

Travis: Yeah.

Chris: Like, it's a very real deep pain that your parents would completely reject you because of the guy you fell in love with and married.

Other Chris: Yeah.

Travis: Yeah.

Chris: Like, so I definitely see that happening. Like, okay, well, then no religion at all.

Other Chris: Yeah.

Chris: Because I encountered that on Reddit a lot. Like, with the. And it's kind of a thing we talk about in the jewish community because a lot of vocal atheists, like, since most people are christian, come out of Christianity. So their whole thing is like, every religion is like, christianity was to me as a child.

Travis: Right?

Chris: Like, oppressive and beat into me and all that kind of shit. I'm like, no, they're not. But I also understand why you feel this way because of your experiences. You know, people are, humans are shitty a lot of the time.

Other Chris: See, I had, like, kind of the same experience as Margaret with religion.

Travis: Yeah.

Chris: Which is basically, like, there was a distant family tradition, but you weren't really part of it.

Other Chris: Well, no, it isn't even that part. Like, it.


There's one major difference between the book and the movie about Judaism

I think this is one major difference between the book and the movie, which is, like, sort of her attitude. Like. Like, she's very open minded in going to all of these different services.

Travis: Right, right.

Other Chris: But, uh, but for most of them, she ends up bored off her ass.

Travis: Right?

Other Chris: Yeah, she's. She's just, like, counting hats.

Travis: Yeah.

Other Chris: Like, I counted three brown hats and five blue hats. And, like, and that was the extent of, like, the offering, you know? Like, oh, this is what religion feels like to me, which is basically going to a room and not feel anything.

Travis: Right.

Chris: Um, that just, to me says, like, you're not inclined to wonder in the same way, like, through the spiritual traditions, and that's fine. Like, m I totally got, like, when she first went to temple with her grandma, she's like, I don't understand him. Like, yeah, you're not going to understand any of this because it's in Hebrew and you've never been exposed to this. You have no idea what's happening. No one's explaining it along the way. Like, we'll tell you what page in the book we're on, you know, and.

Travis: Like, and you're supposed to read it the other way.

Chris: We do some.

Other Chris: Yeah. I thought that was English in the movie.

Chris: Yeah, like, oh, you. How would you have a clue? Like, people, like, yeah. If you have no exposure to Hebrew, you do not know that it is read from right to left. So you got to flip your book because that's how it is. I was used to that because it's Japanese.

Travis: Right.

Chris: Um, like, because that was odd at first. Like, when studying Japanese, getting used to, like, doing it that way, you know, the different way. So by the time I went to Judaism, like, I'm like, oh, okay. That's, uh, not weird to me. But, like, you have no clue, and you just, like, walk into this.

Travis: Yeah.

Chris: Like, it's gonna be hard to follow along, and you're gonna be like, what's going on. And why is this important?

Travis: Yeah.

Chris: And if your rabbi doesn't give good sermons about shit, you're not really gonna get it, right? So ours are like three quarters Hebrew, but we'll do some stuff in English for some of the prayers. But we still read the Torah that's read in Hebrew. And then rabbi gives a nice sermon on the theme about it.

Travis: Right?

Chris: Like, ours yesterday was about imperfect justice in the world because of the. We read a part of re. That's the portion for today. And that's talking about this. We're in deuteronomy. So it's talking about how the Shemitah year did you. Where you don't grow anything. That's the year of rest for the land and all that stuff. And, um. But it says in there, because, you know, ancient texts, superpower God type of thing. Like, oh, but no one's gonna have to worry about eating because everyone will be fine.

Other Chris: Yeah.

Chris: Like, we're like, but this is like two verses after you said, but the poor will always be with you. So how are people going to be fine? And it's like, oh, well, you're going to have, like, made loans to other nations. They're going to be repaying you, so you'll be able to buy shit or something. We're like, okay, all right, whatevs. It's part of the tradition. But, uh, then we're talking about, what would that look like? What would it look like to be able to feed everyone in the world? Like, we could do it now we.

Danielle: Just have to make.

Chris: Yeah, we decide not to. We have to make choices. And it's really hard to get people to agree to that. So then it's like. So then it's like, okay, take it down a level. What can we do as individuals? Like, you know, do our best to help out our community or things like that.


How do you feel about the death penalty? Not everybody agrees

And then we switched over to, uh, how do we feel about the death penalty?

Danielle: Yes.

Chris: Only because recently the, uh, Pittsburgh shooter was sentenced.

Travis: Right, right.

Chris: So. And Ram was like, that causes problems in the community. Like, cuz, like, I don't. I'm not pro death penalty.

Travis: Right.

Chris: Do I feel this is a just solution? Yeah, it's not great. I don't like it. It makes me sad, but. Yeah, it's like this guy too, also went in with intent. He wasn't mentally ill. He wasn't like, confused into it. He knew what the fuck he was doing. It's sad that he believed the anti semitic lies that made him do that.

Travis: But he knew it.

Chris: And this is the solution that's offered. And will it bring some of the people's families who died of kind of closure? It will, but not everyone likes it. Not everybody agrees. I'm like, that's one of these imperfect justice things. So what would be perfect justice anyways in this situation?

Travis: Right?

Chris: Oh, and you brought our great story from the Talmud. Sorry. This is long. So, apparently there's this example given about somebody, uh, was building two people building houses, and one person went and stole a support beam from somebody else, put it in their house.

Travis: Okay.

Chris: So the rabbis go, what do we do with this? How does this work? And Shammai says, well, what we need to do is go to the other guy's house and rip his house down and get the beam out and give it back to the guy he stole it from. That's justice. That's perfect justice. And Hillel said, uh, yeah, no, we can't do that. Then you got a person who's, like, lost their house and all this other shit. What you need to do, the responsible thing to do is that guy needs to pay the other dude this equivalent value for the wood so he can go and get a new Beam, finish building his house. And of course, the rabbis went with Hillel's option. They always do in the Talmud. But you still get to hear about Shammai, you know?

Travis: Is Shammai like goofus?

Chris: No, Shammai is the, uh, more of, we're gonna go. We're gonna interpret by the letter.

Travis: Ah.

Chris: Uh, instead of this spirit or the intent.

Travis: Yeah.

Chris: So. And, yeah. And like, the Torah and all this stuff basically would say, yeah, take your shit back.

Travis: Yeah.

Chris: You know, they stole it. When you cut. When you. Someone steals it from, you get the stolen goods back. You give it back to the person who stole it from.

Travis: Right.

Chris: Pure and simple. But it's not pure and simple, you know?

Other Chris: Right.

Chris: So Shammai school is usually solutions like that. And we include them in there because it's part of the debate. But we always usually go with Hillel because the, well, school of thought is the, um, more generous and reasonable one. Gotcha. Like, you don't go tear the guy's house down now that's complete. Make his kids homeless. You just make him pay for what he saw. Right.

Travis: You know, so if Margaret could have spoke Hebrew, she would have learned all this, but instead, she was just bored.

Chris: M maybe it also depends on the quality of your people needing the services.

Travis: Yeah, yeah.

Chris: Like, if they sound droney, then you just kind of get a little tired. They could be really awesome. But if they sound boring, then they are.

Travis: Yeah.

Chris: You know, and her synagogue still looks like it did the older, old school day stuff. Cause this is 1970, where it's like, we didn't really participate. Right. We just kind of sat there and followed along. You could read the prayers and stuff, too, but we had people, the cantors would usually read the stuff out loud for the congregation.

Travis: Yeah.

Chris: For their response. So really was kind of like this passive. You just sit here, follow along in the book, and just watch. Like, it wasn't quite as interactive. Like, now we all just do all the prayers together and stuff. We have a really great cantor who lead, who sings and stuff for us. We just follow along with jason, like, and we know this stuff and we participate more.

Travis: Right.

Chris: Like they did back then. So that was a big problem. People like, this is boring. Hebrew school is failing us. We don't understand what's happening.


If you're married, be sure to have sex on Shabbat

Other Chris: Yeah.

Chris: Like, why the fuck would I keep, like, her dad is like, what made me stop going to temple. Was going to temple.

Other Chris: Yeah.

Chris: I'm like, I get it. Like, yeah.

Other Chris: My favorite comment, uh, from Kathy Bates grandma.

Chris: Mhm.

Other Chris: Uh, was like, oh, he's great. Like, you're in and out 2 hours. Yeah.

Chris: For a Saturday morning. That's good, because those services traditionally, like three to 4 hours, but that's because you come in the morning, you're not supposed to be doing shit anyways.

Travis: Right.

Chris: So you come in the morning and you spend like half your day there. And then you get lunch, if it's always a kiddish lunch afterwards if you do Saturday mornings.

Travis: Right.

Chris: And, uh, then you go home for the afternoon. You spend your afternoon just chilling. Maybe go visit your friends or family.

Travis: Yeah.

Chris: You know, hang out or take naps. And if you're a married couple, then be sure to have sex on Shabbat because it's an extra mental.

Travis: Yeah.

Danielle: What?

Travis: Yeah, it's a holy thing to do. So just keep that in mind.

Other Chris: Yeah, get down from God.

Chris: Basically. You get extra brown points for doing it on Shabbat.

Travis: Uh, God wants kids.

Danielle: Somebody needs to put that on a shirt.

Chris: Well, and love the teaching is because we. So sex and Judaism is like, yeah, sure. Like, it's really great to get married and have kids. It's also great when you're married just to have sex because you love each other and you want to cement your bond and your whatnot.

Travis: Yeah.

Chris: You know, it's not just about kids, like, they come out of it, but it's really, it's about strengthening your love and your commitment to each other.

Travis: Yahweh is a good wingman.

Danielle: Sorry. In Christianity, people having babies, and so they're doing everything they can't. You have to have the babies, right?

Travis: They want the sex. They don't want to make love. They want to have sex.

Chris: Well, babies, not the babies.

Danielle: Gotta have the babies. That's all they care about.


Judy Bloom turned millions of pre teens into readers with her books

Travis: Anyway, before I forget, everybody, before I forget to do it, I do want to talk a little bit more about Judy Bloom because she is cool as shit still to this day. To this day.

Chris: Good things about her. Yeah.

Travis: Yeah.

Chris: So, like, 80 something now?

Travis: Uh, uh, yeah, she was born in 38.

Danielle: Oh, my God.

Travis: Okay, so math makes her, you know, up there.

Chris: Yeah.

Travis: Uh, did you see her in the movie?

Other Chris: We did. Sharon pointed her out, actually.

Travis: Oh, nice. Extra points to Sharon.

Chris: Yeah.

Travis: I was the Leonardo DiCaprio meme, being like, oh, yeah, yeah.

Chris: I don't. I guess I did see her then. I have no idea.

Travis: Yeah, she was like a pedestrian in the early going. Some guy who. I didn't know who that guy was.

Danielle: But she's just walking around like people.

Travis: Yeah, she's really cool. Uh, I recommend her masterclass if you want, talking about writing for kids. But, um, she grew up in New Jersey and went to school in New York, so that's why all the, um, authentic new Jersey hate rang really true.

Chris: Ah.

Travis: For the characters. Kathy Bates being, like, appalled.

Danielle: Yeah.

Travis: You're moving across a river into New Jersey.

Danielle: You'll never see me.

Chris: Your family's going to die over there. She'll never see them.

Travis: Right.

Chris: She'll die before she can see them.

Travis: Yeah. Yeah. And so a lot of her stuff seems to take place in, like, the New Jersey, New York area. Um, she started writing just, like, to fuck around and entertain herself when her kids started going to school. M. And then has written, like, 15 books since then. Just because. Cool.

Chris: Well, why not?

Travis: So, yeah, kind, uh, of talked to this already, but, like, she was, her, her thing is, like, she's not afraid to write a. Kids kind of like how they are.

Other Chris: Yeah.

Travis: Even though reading this, you know, it kind of shows its age with some of the vocab.

Chris: Yeah, I'm sure.

Travis: But aside from that, like, calling things positively neat, it could, it could still be pretty modern, but.

Chris: Yeah.

Travis: Um, so this was published in 19. 71. Outstanding book of the year from New York times. And it's included in, uh, the Time magazine. 100 novels written in English since 1923. Yes. The pull quote they've got from there is that Judy Bloom turned millions of pre teens into readers, and she did it by asking the right questions and avoiding Pat easy answers.

Other Chris: Yeah.

Travis: Which I think we can see in here where we've been like, well, I guess I'm going to be jewish then, because my grandma is and my dad is and I like my grandma a lot.

Chris: Could be, yeah.

Travis: Um, she makes note that this book isn't autobiographical, although a lot of her life experience went into setting up the character of Margaret. Her quote is, uh. When I was in 6th grade, I longed to develop physically like my classmates. I tried doing exercises, resorted to stuffing my bra and lied about getting my period. And like Margaret, I had a very personal relationship with God that had little to do with organized religion. God was my friend and comfort. But Margaret's family is very different from mine and her story grew from my imagination.

Chris: Cool.

Travis: Yeah, that's good insight. Um, apparently she also wrote like a boys version of this called, then again, maybe I won't, which I've added to my wish list now, but, um. So, yeah, again, like, thinking of those characters, like, I felt, you know, having a twelve year old in the house, Margaret felt like a twelve year old to me.

Other Chris: Yeah.

Travis: Yeah.

Chris: She really did.

Travis: They're weird because, you know, they're little humans and stuff. And the stuff they know about, they think about really deeply and a lot.

Chris: Yeah.

Travis: But they have these blank spaces about like, oh, my friends might lie to me about stuff.

Other Chris: Right.

Travis: Or there might be rumors at school and I can't just take everything at face value, so.

Chris: Right.

Travis: I thought that was very, uh, true to life.

Other Chris: Yeah.

Travis: Yeah.

Danielle: I liked them trying to increase their bust.

Travis: Yeah. What, you can't do exercises to increase your fat store.

Danielle: Yeah.


You can either have them grow naturally or you can get them implanted

You can't do exercises. You can either have them grow naturally or you can surgically get them implanted. And those are your options.

Chris: Yeah.

Travis: Or get falsies.

Danielle: Yes. Or, yeah, you could, you know, stuff them with the socks or whatever she was trying to do and dancing around her room.

Travis: Yeah. Which. Typing with your boobs doesn't seem like a great use of them, but, you know, to each.

Other Chris: That was entertaining to me, though.

Travis: Uh, yeah.

Other Chris: I mean, that, that is another way to increase your bust is just to gain weight. Yeah, yeah, that'll do it.

Travis: If you don't care about the proportion of your, your boobs to the rest of you. Yeah, yeah.

Danielle: Right.

Travis: I just go to McDonald's and ask them to put the fat in.

Danielle: I do like, yes, I want the.

Other Chris: Fat back in the French.

Danielle: I do like it when people are like, yeah. Like, uh, look at me, I have these great boobs. I'm like, yeah. And you're like, 500 pounds. Like, no one is interested in your boobs.

Other Chris: I will say, to be fair, if you are 500 pounds, there is probably somebody who's into your boobs.

Travis: True.

Other Chris: Yeah, yeah. There's always somebody.

Danielle: There are people. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Chris: Hey, there you go. Bonuses at the end.

Danielle: I have to tell you about funny, funny stuff.

Travis: Okay.

Danielle: Yeah.

Travis: But only at the end.

Danielle: Okay.


So some random things about this movie, right? Mm hmm

Travis: So some random things about this movie, right?

Chris: Mm hmm.

Travis: Um, did you know it was filmed in Charlotte?

Chris: No, I had no idea.

Danielle: It looks like New York.

Chris: Well, that's awesome.

Travis: Some of the stuff was, I'm sure, stock footage from New York, but.

Chris: Yeah, I'm sure most of the suburban stuff from Charlotte.

Travis: But the thing is, 1970s New York doesn't exist anymore, so.

Other Chris: That's right.

Travis: So they can film it anywhere.

Other Chris: Uh, and also. Also 1970s New York would have been, like, a much dirtier place.

Travis: Yeah, yeah.

Other Chris: I did not see one porno theater.

Chris: She didn't live.

Travis: But you did see a porno Mac, though.

Danielle: Yeah. Playboy.

Chris: Is that still around, even, like, playboy as a magazine? Yeah.

Travis: Is it now?

Other Chris: Don't know.

Chris: I'm not like, we never hear about it anymore.

Danielle: Connected to all my work stuff.

Other Chris: Well, like, one of Hugh Hefner's daughters took it over.

Travis: Yeah.

Chris: Oh, yeah.

Other Chris: Yeah.

Chris: The seventies kind of got to be another. Another heyday for them with their writing.

Other Chris: Yeah.

Chris: And then some of their interesting friends. But, like, there's a lot of good short stories that came out of that from the seventies, too. Just like the fifties. And.

Other Chris: Yes. And so you could legitimately say, oh, I get it. For the articles.

Chris: Yes, yes.

Other Chris: Yeah, yeah.

Travis: And.

Other Chris: And people would be like, yeah, sure, of course.

Chris: Well, I mean, it was meant to be an all encompassing, like, gentleman's magazine. It wasn't just supposed to be tits. Yeah. It was supposed to be, like, lifestyle advice, entertainment, short talks of politics.

Other Chris: Do you remember that episode of the Simpsons?

Chris: No.

Other Chris: Uh, where Bart found all of the Playboys, but they already had all of the ladies cut out of them?

Chris: No.

Other Chris: And so he was like. He was, like, living the seventies playboy lifestyle. You know, like. Like he's. He's got his, like, tree house decked out. Like, he's wearing the, uh, you know, the smoking jacket and, like, uh, has, like, all the modern furniture. And they're, like, listening to Miles Davis.

Chris: Yeah. I mean, that's all the playboy.

Travis: Yeah, that's the cool part.

Chris: Right.

Travis: Well, I did like that they kept it in 1970 for the movie, and it was a good reminder how fucking brown everything was.

Danielle: Yes.

Travis: In the seventies and eighties. Like, everything was just brown. God. Nothing matches. When did we learn about color theory?

Chris: Like, like his house in the movie. Like, I encountered a house like that. Like, there's basically done in the sixties.

Travis: Yeah.

Chris: You know, by the parents. Like, there was a friend of mine, his grandma's house was like that.

Other Chris: Yeah.

Chris: Like, I've seen this house. Oh, yeah.

Danielle: So, uh, my old house that my parents bought in the seventies had the shag carpet, and some of it was, like, a rust orange, and some of it was green. M like, that just seems so weird to me.

Travis: Yeah.


Purple and green go together. They do, but, like, complimentary on color wheel

Danielle: Until we finally, we didn't change it for a long time. So I remember when they came, I had the green carpet in my room, and Tracy had, like, the rust carpet in her room.

Travis: Right.

Danielle: And they're like, okay, well, you can paint your room any color. Well, I wanted my room bright purple, so I had a bright purple room with green carpet, and I had to find, like, a bedspread that brought this together, but I managed to do it. I think it's all my mom's.

Chris: Yeah.

Danielle: Although that might be the blue one because it came in blue, too. But I had a purple one that had green, and it matched the carpet and the walls.

Other Chris: Purple and green go together. They do, but, like, complimentary on the color wheel.

Danielle: It would be weird if I had just something that was purple and had nothing to do with green. I had this bright. It was like a bright green carpet. I'm like, what? What is this? And mom's like, it's probably popular back then.

Chris: Yeah. And Ikea had it a few years ago because we had a, uh, hatch in Matt's room in apartment that was green. The new green shag carpeting. It's a nice bright green, but, yeah, it's kind of hard to match unless you're going through a color sphere, color phase and culture.

Danielle: I don't.

Other Chris: Ninja turtles, man.

Danielle: They say stuff comes back. And, like, in terms of carpeting, I don't feel like that has come back. Like, the higher. The higher carpets a little. Yes. But, like, not necessarily those crazy colors, right?

Chris: No. Uh, but I did like that because if you wanted a shag, you could get, like, a piece of it, have it be like, an accent rug, but not your entire rug.

Travis: Right.

Chris: So. But the high pile carpet carpeting these days is actually pretty nice. Nice and cush.

Travis: Yeah.


There are lots of jewish summer camps, every region has one

Msan m you might know about this, but, like, are you required to go to sleepaway camp if you're jewish in New York City?

Chris: I, uh, think you're required to go if you're just jewish.

Travis: Just jewish. It's still a thing.

Chris: Oh, yeah.

Danielle: How long do you go for?

Travis: Like months?

Chris: Um. Um, it depends. You can go for a week or for longer. I think most of the kids these days go for a week or two.

Travis: Yeah.

Chris: Because that's what's affordable. But it's a big deal. It's like, it's big enough that we're always trying to, like, make sure there's enough funds in the, uh, in, like, the rabbis fund so we can send kids to camp who want to go, who might not hear, families might not be able afford it because it's pretty important, apparently, for kids growing up jewish in America to do that.

Other Chris: Right.

Chris: Uh, kind of help solidify their jewish identity growing up. Most kids, you don't go to public school, and one of a handful of Jews, or maybe the only jew.

Other Chris: Right.

Chris: School. So that's hard. And this way they can get together with other jewish kids and have some fun and be jewish together and do that stuff. It's like regular camp, but you have a rabbi and you do Shabbat stuff and.

Travis: Yeah.

Chris: Learn songs. Because some of the jewish, like, going.

Danielle: To camp, though, wasn't she?

Chris: Yeah, she was just going to camp.

Travis: Yeah.

Chris: But there is lots of jewish summer camps. Some of them have closed in the last few years, but every region basically has at least one.

Travis: Right.

Chris: I can't remember what ours is, but kids either go to that or they go to the ones up in New York state and stuff. If they can travel.

Travis: Seems like a good place to do a summer camp. I wouldn't want to send our kids to a summer camp here.

Danielle: God, no.

Travis: It would suck, catch on fire.

Chris: It would be like Boy scout camp, and that fucking sucked for a week.

Travis: Yeah.

Chris: That's why they. I only went to s barf once. That was enough.

Travis: Oh, my God.

Chris: Humid is shit for a week and mosquitoes everywhere. The only time I went to camp after that, we went to Wisconsin one year and then went to Colorado the last time I went, so.

Travis: Oh, geez. Like, I'm, um, not, uh, sbarf in many a year. We always went to Beaumont.

Chris: Oh, uh, man, I always missed Beaumont. I wanted to go to Beaumont, but I wasn't, like, I wanted to do the Beaumont where you got to ride the horses.

Travis: Yeah.

Chris: My troops always wanted to do the hiking, and I was not in. Even as a kid, I was not in shape to do, like, two weeks of fucking hiking in that backcountry of New Mexico, you know?

Other Chris: And you also, like, never end up doing some kind of Indiana Jones adventure.

Travis: Rarely.

Chris: Unfortunately. Not really.

Other Chris: Never fall into a train car full of snakes?

Chris: No, not ever. He got to do the just rares. He got to do the horse one. Who the fuck knows if you get to do that one?

Other Chris: Yeah.

Chris: M maybe they reenacted that for all the kids in the nineties.


Do you think Kathy Bates would be a fun grandma? Yes. I think she'd be incredibly fun

Travis: Do you think Kathy Bates would be a fun grandma?

Chris: Yes.

Other Chris: Yeah.

Chris: Yeah.

Other Chris: I think the real Kathy Bates would be a fun grandma.

Travis: That's what I mean.

Other Chris: Yeah.

Chris: Yeah. I think she'd be incredibly fun.

Travis: Yeah. She could take you to a show.

Other Chris: Yeah, exactly.

Chris: She'd be in the show. But not only am I taking you to the show, I'm in it for you.

Travis: Uh, yeah. I loved the way, uh, she shoved that lichayam, like, right in the other parents's face.

Chris: Everybody, like, the whole around, that was.

Travis: The most fuck you lehiyim I've ever heard. It really was Nancy Wheeler, like, really creepy to anyone else, or was that just part of the time? Like, they didn't have Facebook, so you had to. You had to gossip about your neighbor.

Other Chris: She got it from her mom, clearly.

Chris: Yeah.

Danielle: But also, that happened in bad as.

Chris: She could have been.

Travis: Yeah.

Chris: Yeah. She wasn't as bad as she could have.

Travis: I have never talked to you before.

Other Chris: Nancy. Nancy Wheeler, also a character in stranger things.

Danielle: That's what I said.

Other Chris: Yeah.

Travis: Yeah.

Other Chris: Weird.

Chris: I'm like, oh, I've heard.

Travis: Did they get that from there?

Chris: Probably.

Other Chris: Maybe homage.

Travis: Yeah, maybe.

Chris: I'm sure it is.

Travis: Yeah. It was just a little weird to be like, you've never met me in your whole life. I know everything about you. Come m put on my bathing suit. Yeah, your tits are small.

Chris: Because apparently, back in 1970, your real estate agent would send flyers to your neighbors announcing who you are.

Travis: Yeah.

Chris: So they'd know who you were to look out for, and your name's already and could just go introduce yourself.

Danielle: That's.

Travis: So I guess it was a different time, and people would have been expected to be like, go talk to your neighbors.

Chris: Well, yeah, there's a community, whereas I've.

Travis: Talked to our neighbors.

Other Chris: We can't do that. Uh, indirectly, Rando is going to come to your house and tell your kids, like, yeah, I know you. Yeah, I know your name.

Travis: Come put on a bathing suit.

Other Chris: Come with me.

Chris: We don't do that. Well, it's not like she was an adult or something trying to do. She was her peer.

Travis: Right.

Chris: Uh, but that's the thing, too. Like, I think in our. This day and age, like, our neighborhood kids know each other.

Travis: Right.

Chris: But, like, we don't know them. I know one of them because one of them was my students last year. Mhm. But that was weird.

Danielle: I used to know everybody on my street. Now we don't know here.

Chris: I didn't know all the adults, but I knew all the people. I knew all the kids and their parents.

Travis: Right.

Chris: And like. But that's the thing. Like, I don't have kids, so we don't interact. Like, we kind of know the neighbors around us, but not that well. Like, not enough we've ever invited them over for a barbecue.

Other Chris: We only know our neighbors from their fights on Facebook. These are people that we definitely don't want to associate with.

Chris: Yeah. And I do think it's kind of sad for neighborhoods that we don't know each other anymore, but populations, like, not as houses as much, but people move around.

Travis: Right?

Chris: Like, I think that's kind of the thing. Like, people just haven't felt like getting to really know each other. But. Yeah, yeah, it is what it is.

Travis: People don't spend a whole lot of time just in their front yard anymore.

Chris: No, it's too.

Other Chris: They do around here.

Travis: Oh, yeah.

Other Chris: Yeah. All the dead people they probably had, like, that's the congregation across the street earlier today because, like, they go on a bike ride and then everyone just sits in the.


Travis: In summary, neighbors are terrible. That is the general consensus

In the driveway.

Travis: Oh, geez.

Other Chris: Like, yeah. Shooting the shit.

Chris: Okay, nice.

Other Chris: It's like, well, I could go outside, but then someone's gonna try and talk to me.

Travis: Yeah, yeah. It's a great for staying indoors.

Danielle: I avoid the neighbors at all. Huh. Costs.

Chris: Yeah. I'm not surprised.

Other Chris: The neighbors on either side of us are pretty good.

Chris: That's good. Our neighbors on either side of us are not.

Travis: I talked to our neighbor's dog a.

Other Chris: Lot in that, though.

Chris: Uh, one of our neighbors is Tim, and he's this cool. He's like 50, see?

Other Chris: The one that makes the good shit at McDonald's.

Travis: No different Tim.

Chris: But he does manage a, uh, I think a kickback jacks or something, like up in mount airy. But he's like 50, but trying to be 30. He's one of those guys.

Travis: I understand.

Chris: Okay. Yeah, he's okay. But we, our other neighbor was an Airbnb house and m then they sold that this spring to a family, and they're not good neighbors.

Travis: Hey, everybody. Present day Travis interrupting really quick. We, uh, decided it was probably best to cut some of this portion out to protect some personal details. So make up a story in your mind about a neighbor that you might not like. And then let's jump back in. In three, two, one.

Other Chris: What?

Chris: So they're not good neighbors.

Danielle: In summary, neighbors are terrible.

Travis: I was just gonna say. So what we've learned is that gossiping about your neighbors is alive and well.

Danielle: Yes.

Other Chris: Oh, yeah, exactly.

Travis: And that could be a situation where you're like, you've never met me before, but I know all about how you treat your dogs, and I don't want you, man. Don't sell me your dog.

Chris: Yeah, basically. Sorry, that was long, too.

Travis: No, that's fine.

Chris: I'm just full of long stories today.

Travis: Hey, we're a long form.

Chris: Seriously good. Uh, neighbors are different. Neighborhoods are different kids than they used. Right.

Travis: But only a little.

Danielle: Only a little.

Travis: We still gossip. We just do it on next door now.

Danielle: Yes.

Chris: Yeah, basically.

Travis: Who is that app? Whose dog is shitting in my lawn? We'll say yes.

Chris: There's actually really nice neighbors on next door. We got. A couple years ago, Matt had to get an emergency tooth extraction. Like, we didn't have all from a neighborhood. No, there was this one lady on next door who gave us a wow for it. Like, she called in and paid like $100 towards the shit just because she's like, well, I've been in that. I've been in that place before. Like, I like to help out when I can. It's like, well, I kind of restored my faith in humanity a little bit. Yeah. Someone I've never met, I will never meet, like, who lives in this general area.

Travis: Yeah. Well, because especially tooth pain is like the worst. Completely unbearable.

Chris: Oh, yeah, it was.

Travis: Yeah.

Chris: He couldn't sleep for like two weeks. Um, like, it was terrible.

Travis: Yeah. Yeah.

Other Chris: I generally find that a person is cool, but people suck.

Chris: That is the general consensus. I, as well as fascinating as people.

Danielle: Are, that's the exception. And people suck. Yeah.

Chris: Right. Individuals can be great people.

Travis: Nay, right.

Chris: But it's like, even good individuals, you get enough together and then you kind of turn shitty. Yeah.

Other Chris: Weird how that works.

Chris: Yeah.


The movie steered away from suggesting inappropriate behavior by first year teachers

Travis: Yeah. Um, I liked the note about their first year teacher. I've had no transition for this, but first year teacher. And Daniel's like, oh, no, he's gonna be bad.

Danielle: He's gonna be terrible.

Travis: First year teacher, like, Danielle had this book pegged.

Other Chris: Yeah.

Travis: Her reactions were exactly what they're about to do in the book, so.

Danielle: Yeah. Because I was, in fact, a twelve year old girl.

Chris: You were? Yes.

Travis: But I think it was probably a good idea that the movie steered away from the whole kind of suggestion that, like, oh, young teacher and Laura danker with her huge tits. Like, this guy is definitely gonna be like sweating up there.

Chris: Hmm. Mhm.

Danielle: No, no, he didn't pay her any attention.

Travis: No. Like, uh, adults aren't attracted to twelve year old kids most of the time.

Chris: No, exactly. You know, we know they're twelve.

Travis: There's a few people out there that are ruining it for everyone else.

Chris: I know. Putting thoughts into other people's heads about what adults around kids to.

Travis: Yeah.

Chris: Yep. So.

Travis: Yeah.

Chris: But especially when they're opposite gender.

Travis: Yeah. You know, I felt like it was a valid thing to include in the book, but I'm kind of glad the movie steered away from it because it's a little weird when it's actual people.

Other Chris: Yeah. I mean, I mean, part of the thing is that, uh, in the, in the book, it is more clearly like a first person experience.

Travis: Right, right.

Other Chris: And so it's like, yes, this is the kind of shit that kids will say.

Travis: Right?

Other Chris: Yeah. But in the movie, you're taking it more from like a distant perspective.

Chris: Right.

Other Chris: And it's like, yeah. Then it would be weird if you ended up putting that suggestion anywhere in there.

Travis: Right?

Chris: He was a nice teacher.

Travis: Yes.

Other Chris: Yeah.

Travis: He seemed just a teacher.

Chris: I thought, I'm like, I'm good on you kids for actually, you know, sitting still and paying attention.

Travis: Imagine that, right?

Chris: I know, right?

Travis: Going to a school where kids just like, sat there and listened.

Chris: It did appear. It happened through our childhoods.

Travis: It was more the expectation. Right? Like, yeah, yeah. More straight.

Chris: If your teacher had to call home about your behavior, you were gonna get it.

Travis: Yeah, one way.

Danielle: Call home about my kids. Like, m okay, bye. Maybe M. I will bring this up to them. Maybe I won't. We'll see.

Travis: Yeah.

Chris: What if I called you about your kids? If I was their teacher, I'd be like, Danielle, never believe what happened today.

Danielle: And like, they call. Sometimes they call about the stupidest shit. And I'm like, did you need to call me for that? Because, like, I find that to be another issue and I've dismissed it. It.

Chris: I just call it. I'd call behavior issues or your kid was behind.

Travis: Yeah.

Chris: Be like, hey, we don't have issues. He's missed a couple simons, so.

Travis: Right.

Chris: You know, just thought you should know there wouldn't be like any accusatory, just like. Yeah, you should just know.

Travis: Well, and feel like.

Chris: I would prefer to email you, though.

Travis: The, the PTA was a more important thing. And like, uh, being in good standing as a parent in the PTA.

Chris: Well, you could be because a lot.

Travis: Of would have been a. An important thing. And so, yeah. Having the teacher call you and be like, oh, I'm so embarrassed.

Chris: Right.

Travis: Everyone's gonna know about how my kids, like, a fuck up in the PTA now. Like, can't sit still.

Chris: I felt that we tried to get a good PTA going to my school last year, but I don't know how successful that was. Yeah, those parents have to work all the times.

Other Chris: Yep.

Travis: Right.


The PTA stands for parents to avoid, unfortunately. And as you can see from the movie, PTA is terrible

Danielle: No one has the time.

Travis: And as you can see from the movie, PTA is terrible.

Danielle: Yes.

Chris: Yeah.

Danielle: I've been asked several times to, like, join certain actual PTA positions. Like, oh, I'm so sorry. I just. I work. I don't have time for that because. No, I'm not going to be part of that. My work bestie, Jason, he has said it. Right. The PTA stands for parents to avoid, unfortunately. So I will join the PTA and give them the money so that they have it. Uh, do it, join. I joined all of us for both schools, and it's like, that's my contribution. If I can maybe volunteer for something sometime. Once, maybe, but otherwise, like, we have a lot of non working parents, though, in this area, so they. They can.

Chris: They can handle it.

Travis: They can let them do it. They got the time.

Chris: That's good because they're gonna want to. They'll be super involved.

Danielle: Right?

Travis: Yep.

Chris: So I always say, let the people who want to do that do that. I think it's nice. And there's time. We have offensive parents can come. That's the important part.

Travis: Yeah.

Chris: My mom always wanted to do more, but I'm like, don't feel bad, mom.

Travis: Did she want to cut out 10,000 stars for the.

Chris: No, she just turns out it's a fire hazard. My mom wanted to be able to come and do, like, the. Especially when I was little, like, first through third grade. Like, you'd have, like, you know, moms come some afternoons and bring, like, cookies and chew boxes and shit. My mom wanted to do that, but she had to work, so.

Travis: Yeah. Uh, so I like the parts where they were, like, sneaking pictures of wieners. They got an anatomy book so they could look at a, like, oh, yeah.

Chris: It'S like a thumb. That was some mushroom headed thumb, kids. That's really a good way to put it.

Other Chris: Yeah.

Travis: They're not very interesting.

Chris: No, they're not.

Travis: Yeah.

Other Chris: Um, they're not wieners.

Travis: And then going and stealing the playboy to look at a lady like, that was great, too. That. That's a childhood.

Danielle: M ladies look better.

Travis: They do.

Other Chris: That's true.

Danielle: Than the men.

Other Chris: I will agree with you.

Travis: Yeah.

Other Chris: Yeah.

Travis: That could have been me. Like, my dad had a playboy in the house.

Chris: He did that.

Travis: I knew exactly where it was. So.

Chris: I've never had a playboy.

Travis: No.

Danielle: I had a play girl that we had to go pick up for a scavenger hunt for my, my, uh, sorority that I was.

Chris: That seems real. They still have make play girl.

Danielle: I don't know. Beth went in and bought it.

Travis: That sounds like Beth.

Danielle: I stayed in the cardinal with the other people, and then Beth went in and bought it. And then somehow at the end though, it ended up in my room, on my floor, and like, my parents came to. Somehow I was hidden under all the shit.

Travis: Mhm.

Danielle: And then my parents came to pack up. My mom's like, oh. She's like, do you want. I was like, you can just throw that away.

Chris: Yeah, just get rid of it.

Travis: Yeah.

Chris: The only thing I ever had was a british edition of Maxim.

Travis: Oh.

Chris: One issue. Because when we went to Greece, uh, one of the older kids bought it and he's like, uh, I'm done with. Here you go. Awesome. Thank.

Other Chris: Hand me down.

Chris: It's like, I'm done with it. I read it, I'm like, okay, play girl.

Danielle: It's like partially erect. You can't have the full erect.


One of her friends went to a black church, and she liked it

Chris: That would be scary. Yeah, there would be scary british model in a big.

Travis: You'd look like an insane person.

Chris: Yeah.

Travis: Sitting there with a fully erect penis.

Chris: That would be crazy. Crazy. You want that? Just find some ancient art.

Travis: Yes. Fertility goddess and stuff.

Chris: Yep.

Travis: Uh, so another thing they seem to change from the book is one of her friends went to a black church. And as far as, like, trying on churches, I feel like that's cheating.

Other Chris: Yeah.

Travis: Because, like, that'd be funny.

Other Chris: I was like, if I, if I went to black church, I feel like I would have liked church.

Chris: Yeah, probably they do.

Travis: It's cheating.

Other Chris: It is.

Travis: You can't be there, like, listen to all this good music we've got and all the fun we have.

Other Chris: Yep.

Danielle: And how we all, like, seem to like each other.

Travis: Yeah.

Danielle: Why people are just.

Travis: I figured it out.

Chris: Isn't that what it should be?

Travis: Yes.

Other Chris: To judge people.

Travis: Yeah, that's what.

Chris: Every day I went because mom took me and she wanted to pray and she had a good time.

Travis: Yeah.

Chris: But people did judge us, and that was shitty. And that's part of some of the reasons I gave up on church. Yeah, we got an anonymous letter one time, somebody bitching about us being, like, coming in late because it turns out those were the days when my mom was having lots of energy problems because our heart was fucked up.

Travis: Oh.

Chris: We didn't know it. So we get there late, and I didn't give a shit.

Danielle: Listen, Jesus doesn't care what time.

Chris: And we even went to. I would, like, drove fucking down there with this letter. I went to the rectory, took mom with me, and we, like, complained to Monsignor about it. He's like, I can't really do anything about it other than because they were anonymous. I'm like, oh, so big of you, telling my mom. She's a terrible catholic mom.

Travis: Yeah.

Chris: And you couldn't even put your name on this shit. Come on. Fucking, uh, cowards.

Danielle: He needed to show that note in the next service and be like, bullying is not acceptable.

Chris: Yeah, yeah, he kind of did that, but he needed to do it more forcefully.

Travis: You're like, you know what? I'm gonna be jewish. Fuck you.

Chris: It should have been like, this is not how we treat each other as a community. And if I hear about this happening again, we're gonna have to have words at one of these sermons. Yeah, like, he should have done that, but he didn't.

Travis: Um, yeah.


Did any of you guys ever go to a makeup party when you were twelve

Did any of you guys ever go to a makeup party when you were twelve?

Danielle: Yes.

Chris: No.

Travis: Oh, yes. Did you do two minutes in the bathroom?

Danielle: No, we only did this in the bottle stuff.

Travis: With the kid Leroy? No, the kid Philip. His last name was Leroy.

Chris: Leroy.

Travis: The kid Leroy is one of the artists that Levi listens to.

Chris: Oh, yeah.

Danielle: But, man, you guys didn't spin the bottle.

Travis: Did you kiss anyone interesting?

Danielle: I, uh, like, his five people in a row kissed all everybody, so.

Travis: Kiss anyone on the way through the parking lot? Geez.

Chris: Yeah, I didn't have any friends that did shit like that, so.

Danielle: Yeah, it was just. It was. That's what we.

Travis: That's probably what happens when you actually get invited to parties, I guess.

Chris: Yeah, I can get invited to those parties. Uh, the closest we did was we did that in college for fun.

Travis: Yeah.

Chris: Yeah.

Travis: Kiss anyone interesting? Probably the kid Leroy.

Chris: I was pretty drunk, so I don't remember.

Other Chris: That would have been, like, really interesting party, I guess.

Chris: But we had spin the bottle at one of Marissa's parties, actually, I think.

Travis: Did you?

Chris: And then we did. Uh, it was only once because it wasn't as popular as we ended up doing.

Travis: It wasn't very other games.

Chris: Uh, would you rather we end up doing that more? Because that led to more interesting, spicy situations.

Travis: Oh.

Chris: So I think I probably kissed a few people there. I don't remember.

Other Chris: I was thinking of like a bunch of anime dudes with patchy beards being like, oh, God.

Chris: Yeah.

Other Chris: You guys want to make out?

Chris: I mean, I'm surprised they never did.

Other Chris: We could, you know, if you wanted to.

Travis: I mean, I'm just kidding, though.

Chris: That's why I only went to anime club once, because it was full of dudes like that. Like, I can't. You guys way too critical of the shit I enjoy.

Other Chris: I mean, that was my entire college. I guess. Yeah, unfortunately, I found cool people eventually. But, yeah, for the first, for the first couple of years, it was like, I. I don't, I don't really want to associate with any of you.

Chris: Yeah, understandable.

Travis: I went to one of Marissa's party. Well, the avatar of me went to one of Marissa's parties once when I.

Chris: Was out of town. Yeah, I remember that. I remember the avatar of you going to her party.

Travis: Megan had a picture of me printed out and she wore my face as a mask.

Chris: Yeah, and kind of dressed like you.

Travis: Um, I don't know what happened, but I heard it was fun.

Danielle: That's kind of weird.

Other Chris: Yeah.

Chris: People had a good time with you, as I recall. Yeah.

Travis: Wow.

Chris: As I recall, I feel very popular at that party.

Travis: Indirectly violated that way a little bit. Um, yeah, but I also liked her being like, I did the two minutes in the bathroom with Philip. She's like, are you there? God, I totally just hooked up and I'm gonna tell you about it.

Other Chris: Right.

Travis: It was the best.

Danielle: He kissed her twice.

Chris: Hey, that's a big deal. That's what our kids talk about in their little week long relationships.

Travis: Mm hmm.

Chris: They were really in with love with each other. They held hands and kissed. I'm like, good, don't take any further.

Travis: Yeah, already.

Chris: You're already pushing this too hard at this age, so don't go further.


This movie finally revealed a that period smell like the monkey bars confirmed

Travis: Right. Yeah. Levi would come home last year from school and tell us about like, oh, well, this guy's dating this girl and I'm like, what does that mean? Well, I don't know. They're just dating in what?

Chris: Yeah, what does that mean? In what way?

Danielle: Ah. Um, it's an odd.

Chris: They hold, they sneak holding hands in the hallway. Right? Like maybe kiss, maybe on the cheek.

Travis: Right. It's just a facebook status to them right now, so. Yeah, yeah.

Chris: Like, keep it that way. Too young to even be doing this, but you're going to just leave with that, please. Thank you.

Travis: This movie finally revealed a that period smell like the monkey bars confirmed.

Danielle: Mm.

Chris: Mhm. Hmm. Yeah, I said, was it a coppery? Yeah, I don't know.

Travis: That's what the girl who in their little group got at first said.

Chris: Mm hmm.

Travis: And the secret of why girls always go to the bathroom together.

Chris: Yeah.

Travis: In case someone needs to go get my mom.

Chris: Yeah, right.

Danielle: Because I lied about having my period and now I just got it.

Travis: Mm hmm.

Chris: Yeah. Bitch.

Danielle: She spent all that money on a postcard to light.

Chris: I know, right?

Travis: Uh, just go on the Internet and lie. Except via postcard.

Chris: Who packages are exciting? I got one earlier.

Other Chris: Oh my God.

Chris: Uh, I haven't opened it. It's right here.

Travis: Uh, this might.

Chris: It's coins.

Travis: This comment is for, uh. It just is a targeted audience here.


I enjoyed this movie a lot more than I thought I would

But did Kathy Bates's boyfriend look like he probably has an enterocidor in the basement?

Other Chris: Yes, he did.

Travis: He definitely did. Right?

Other Chris: Yeah.

Travis: What an inner rock.

Other Chris: Yeah.

Travis: If you know, you know.

Other Chris: He's from Metaluna, man.

Chris: Oh, I don't know.

Travis: What's all this and the rest bullshit.

Other Chris: Yeah, he's got a mutant.

Travis: A mutant.

Chris: Okay.

Travis: Very mutant.

Other Chris: A mutant.

Travis: He looked like that guy from this islander.

Other Chris: Yeah.

Travis: With his white hair and his big forehead.

Other Chris: Yeah, real cream.

Chris: Yeah, yeah, real cream jeans.

Danielle: Love.

Travis: So, yes, on the whole, I like this movie a lot.

Danielle: I did.

Travis: Like, I thought it was funny. Like legitimately funny.

Chris: Mm mhm. Hmm.

Other Chris: Yeah.

Travis: Like, I enjoyed it a lot more.

Chris: Than I thought I would.

Travis: The story with, uh, her parents getting disowned for her marrying a jewish person was like, very touching me.

Chris: Pretty real for the time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I thought it was great showing all that stuff.

Danielle: But you know what? I'm glad she liked moose. He seemed like a nice guy.

Chris: Yeah, yeah, he's a nice boy.

Travis: A nice boy.

Danielle: He was gonna tell her something about why he liked her and then she had to go to the bathroom with Nancy. Just pissed.

Chris: Yeah.

Travis: Goddamna cock block and mansion.

Chris: I was a twelve year old.

Travis: Um, also, can we agree that her not. Not getting to go to Florida was bullshit? This was 1970s plane tickets. Like, this was basically a contract.

Chris: Like a $1,000.

Other Chris: Yeah.

Chris: Like, and they just like, oh, we're gonna have to redo it. No, the fuck you don't know.

Travis: I'm going to is like, you can't stop me. And don't make me call my grandma and tell her that you canceled for me. Like, that's the worst for your stupid bible thumping parents who I've never met.

Chris: My whole thing was, you know, what happened that your parents did when you guys got married? Like twelve years before or 15 for all we know.

Travis: Yeah.

Chris: Like, you haven't seen them since then. They say they're a little different and they want to see you. Okay. I'd be like, fine. Perfect timing, because my daughter's going to be out of town.

Other Chris: Yeah, that was my thought, too.

Chris: And I can see how you are.

Other Chris: Yeah.

Chris: And next, uh, time, you can meet your granddaughter.

Travis: Yeah.

Chris: Cuz why would you expose her to that shit if they haven't really changed?

Danielle: And they didn't.

Chris: And they didn't.

Travis: Well, she wanted to show him just how good she was doing. Now she's like, yeah, look at my cool house and my nice daughter still do that.

Chris: Like, I was like, come on. Like, at, uh, this day and age, I'd be like, fine. We can meet up, right? And see how it goes. And if it goes well, then we'll schedule a visit with the kid.

Travis: Yeah.

Chris: You know?

Travis: Yeah.

Chris: 1970 different. So I was like, actually, good on you, Kathy Bates grandma, for coming up and ruining that shit by being like, I'm gonna see my granddaughter because of what they're doing. Like, it ended bad for everybody, but still, I was like, good on you, grandma.

Travis: Yeah.

Chris: Coming to protect your. Your little dumpling there.

Danielle: That little roast she made would not have fed all those people.

Chris: No.

Travis: Well, you know, she was just trying out cooking for the first time.

Chris: She was like, but I liked.


They had all that good family dynamic in there. Like, it was. Even though they're a great, nice family, like, they have

They had all that good family dynamic in there. Like, it was. It's good.

Travis: Yeah.

Chris: Even though they're a great, nice family, like, they have their big issues, too. Like, yeah, it's important, you know?

Travis: Exactly.

Chris: Yeah.


Would you recommend this to somebody? I would. I would recommend it to children

Travis: Um, any final thoughts? Would you recommend this to somebody?

Chris: I would. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Other Chris: I would recommend it to children.

Chris: I would, too. I would. Like. This is actually a good movie for, like, kids to watch. Maybe families.

Danielle: Simon would have hated it.

Chris: Yeah, probably.

Danielle: They would have been bored.

Chris: Brittany didn't want to watch it because she read the book when she was a kid.

Travis: Yeah.

Chris: It's like, this brings up too many weird memories of, like, me trying to, like, learn about my body from my super christian mom, who didn't want to talk about it. She gave me this book in, like, a kids christian anatomy book. And then she's like, and, ah, my mom said if I had any questions, I could come ask her, so I did. She's like, all right, where's your book? All right, here. See page 22. Wow. That didn't answer my question. I'm like, okay, I get it. She's like, so I don't really want to think about that. I'm like, that's fair.

Travis: Okay. Yeah.

Chris: But, hey, at least your mom got you this book.

Travis: Yeah.

Chris: So. But I would recommend it for people. Anyone who wants to see it and, like, have a nostalgia trip or. And. Or it is good for, I think, twelve year olds.

Other Chris: Yeah.

Chris: You know, anyone. Any kid going through puberty, but especially girls.

Travis: Yeah. So, yeah, I think those issues that come along with puberty are pretty much timeless.


I loved how realistic it was about getting your period in a movie

So we'll give the boys a little.

Chris: Inside what the girls are going through, so.

Danielle: Oh, man. Maybe poor Nancy. Not Nancy. Poor, poor Margaret. She just didn't know what she was gonna have to deal with. Getting her period and having to go away to camp with her period.

Chris: And it was the day of going right into it.

Travis: I didn't think about that. She's gonna get attacked by bears.

Danielle: Gonna go thrust.

Chris: My God.

Danielle: Like, here you go.

Travis: Yep.

Chris: I did like, how her mom was, like, you know, I thought maybe might be around time, so I got your stuff. Anyway.

Danielle: She needs some teenage softies.

Travis: Yeah.

Chris: Yep.

Other Chris: Yeah.

Travis: Oh, yeah.

Other Chris: I really loved how realistic it was that the, uh. That the pad company sponsored the.

Travis: Yeah.

Other Chris: Education, you know?

Chris: Yeah.

Other Chris: I remember, like, like, uh.

Chris: Like.

Other Chris: Like the pink booklet, like, from always.

Chris: Yeah.

Danielle: Which is still a thing.

Chris: Yeah.

Danielle: Still around.

Chris: Yep.

Travis: Well, yeah. And they. The reason we have those kind of educational things in schools is because. Capitalism.

Other Chris: Yep.

Travis: We wouldn't have had it otherwise, but they're willing to sponsor it.

Chris: Right. But just like.

Travis: Yeah. And that scene when they were buying it from the. The grocery store.

Danielle: Oh, man.

Travis: That stuff, I identified with that where it's, like, throw some tic tacs on there so I don't look like a weirdo. So that would always be the joke when I'd be, like, picking stuff up. He'd be like, oh, I do need condoms. And Daniel needs pads. And also, our gerbils are out of food. This is my weekend, guys. Like, that is the weird combinations of stuff. But, yes, that made me laugh.

Danielle: The kids nowadays are so lucky that there are so many self checkouts. You don't have to, like, deal with that.

Travis: Uh uh-huh huh.

Chris: They can even order shit online and have it delivered to us.

Travis: Yes.

Chris: You have to go to the store. It's probably the way to get that now. Because at Walmart, our Walmart, all that shit's behind a locked door, right? So you have to, like, go get the pharmacy.

Travis: You have to, like, ask, I need.

Chris: To buy this, and they have to go unlock it. That's like, the morse. Like, even they judge you.

Danielle: Yeah. I just want to be able to grab it and check it out myself.

Chris: Right, exactly. Like, stop getting in my way. But apparently people were stealing that shit during the pandemic, so I don't know. Yeah, now it's all locked up, just like the baby food.

Travis: Yep.

Danielle: Sorry you can't feed your babies.


M that's the secret to getting your kids to read important books

Travis: So, um, something that Judy bloom herself brought up in her masterclass. And I also saw it when she was doing the publicity circuit for this movie, uh, talking about, like, giving this kind of book to a kid who might be at the right age to read through it or whatever. It's like, here's the trick of how you get this to work. If you hand someone read this book, I really like it. They'll be like, who gives a shit? And not read it? Which I can confirm that happens. But what you do is you let them see you reading it and be like, oh, uh, you're not ready for this book yet. And then put it somewhere they can find and then leave it alone. M that's the secret, to get your kids to read these important books.

Other Chris: That was. That was how I ended up reading the hobbit.

Travis: Yeah.

Chris: Yeah.

Travis: Not ready for this. It's too advanced for you.

Other Chris: It might hard, right? Yeah.

Travis: See, I got to use that reverse psychology.

Other Chris: Yeah.

Travis: Trick your kids into learning about puberty.

Chris: I should, like, go to McKay's, which is our, like, bookstore media store here.

Travis: Uh-huh.

Chris: Like, just get a bunch of copies of that some other Judy bloom shit to put in my classroom.

Travis: Yeah.

Chris: It's like, I'll just leave it for the night. I'm like, oh, I can. They can see me coming off a lunch break just reading this and like, oh, hey, guys. Yeah? You can't do this. Sorry. It's. It's a lot.

Travis: It's probably banned in your school anyway. It's fine.

Chris: Yeah, not my school. They have to find it. Miss McGuire had it on, um, her bookshelf last year with a bunch of other books. So, yeah, um, they have to fucking find it first.

Travis: Gotcha.

Chris: My school wouldn't care. They only care for parent finds out.

Travis: Right?

Danielle: Right.

Chris: Sadly, most of my kids parents are too busy to notice them reading.

Other Chris: Mm hmm.

Danielle: Or notice them, probably.

Travis: Oh, now it's sad.

Danielle: It is the world we live in. People want to have kids, but they don't want to actually. Parenthood or they don't have time, or they're.

Chris: That is the case for some of our kids.

Travis: Oh. Yeah. Because abortion laws.

Chris: Yeah, that's gonna be a bigger problem now. But, like, a lot of our kids, at least I know it's just their parents are too busy working, like, three jobs.

Other Chris: Yeah.

Danielle: Which is also ridiculous.

Chris: Yep, it is.

Other Chris: Completely.

Chris: They shouldn't have to do that. They should be able to be home to be with their kids.

Danielle: Yeah. As a human person, I shouldn't have to work a job to buy food to live. Like, I should just be provided with food to live because I am an alive human person.

Chris: The earth provides enough for our needs, not for our greed.

Danielle: Give us all a little, uh, amount that we get each month so that we can have food to live.

Chris: Yeah, we should. We make enough. We can do it.

Travis: Well, I'm confused. I thought we were supposed to get down for God now. Like. Yeah, I thought that's where we were ending it.

Other Chris: Well, you got no Jesus.

Chris: Yeah, no, no Jesus.


The book movie was wholesome and enjoyable. It really was, man. I enjoyed watching it

Travis: Anyway, uh, any final thoughts about my.

Chris: Friend but no Jesus.

Travis: The book movie.

Chris: It was good.

Travis: Good.

Chris: It's very nice. And wholesome. While covering really good topics.

Danielle: I enjoyed watching it. Yeah, it was like, oh, we gotta take time out to watch this.

Chris: I didn't either. I was like, it's gonna be okay. But, no, I actually am.

Travis: Like, I think wholesome is a good word for it. And it's like, I remember when there were actual family movies out there.

Danielle: Um, I think it also helped that, like, Rachel McAdams was awesome. And the girl to play Margaret was also very good.

Chris: Yes. M agreed.

Danielle: And the dad, who I thought I knew from somewhere, but I don't. But, like, he was good, too.

Travis: Oh, he was.

Other Chris: He was, uh. He was in Oppenheimer.

Danielle: Oh, that's right.

Travis: He was teller. Uh.

Chris: Because I'm running out of time to actually be able to see movies.

Travis: He was a guy with the hat. Do you have. That narrows it down. Not at all. You know that.

Danielle: Yeah.

Travis: Everyone had a hat on a train, right?

Chris: Back when everybody wore hats.

Travis: I thought for sure he was the one on the train that kept feeding him, but I couldn't.

Other Chris: No, that was David Cromwell hats.

Travis: Oh, which one was teller?

Other Chris: He was. He was the one that was working on the super bomb.

Travis: Oh, yeah.

Other Chris: He was the one that was like, I want to keep working on the fusion bomb. And they're like, all right, well, you. You go do your thing then.

Travis: Yeah, yeah.

Danielle: I don't really remember. They had too many names and too many people.

Travis: There were a lot of guys.

Danielle: Yeah, a lot of guys.

Other Chris: Oh, you guys didn't study physics?

Travis: It was the. It was the avengers for World War Two. Grandpa's.

Other Chris: It really was, man.

Travis: It was. Um.


Daniel: I've been going to coin shops locally. I have a lot of coins lately

So on that note, do you guys have anything else that's good coins.

Chris: I have a lot of coins lately. I've seen the coin show. I've been like, you know what? This. This is good feeling. So I've been going to coin shops locally. Got some supplies at one meeting.

Other Chris: Interesting people at coin shop?

Travis: Yeah.

Chris: Yeah, a little bit, usually.

Travis: How many other Chris's did you meet there?

Chris: None.

Other Chris: Disappointing.

Chris: That's. But here's. It's also fair to. We don't wear name tags, so, um.

Travis: Could have been at Chris, but, yeah.

Chris: I ordered some stuff, bought some stuff. I got that coin show in a month. That's gonna be Charlotte. Like north, right? North of Charlotte that I'm excited about. Nice.

Travis: You can see some of these filming locations.

Other Chris: Yeah.

Travis: Yes. Like. Oh, that was the scene.

Chris: I have to look it up.

Travis: Where he was mowing the lawn.

Chris: Right.

Travis: That's cool.

Other Chris: M. Yeah. Daniel, I watched, uh. I watched a movie.

Travis: What movie did you watch?

Other Chris: I watched a movie last night with Sharon. It was called red, uh, white, and royal Blue.

Danielle: Oh, yeah, the boys. How was that?

Other Chris: Oh, it was. It was adorable and hilarious.

Danielle: It was about these guys that weren't supposed to be together, but they got together.

Other Chris: It's about. It's about, uh. It's about the president's son. Um, and the president is Uma Thurman, by the way, with a sweet Texas accent.

Chris: Nice.

Other Chris: Uh, and then, um. And then, uh, an english prince.

Chris: Oh, yeah.

Other Chris: And they, like. They. They meet and, like, they hate each other because obviously.

Chris: Yeah.

Other Chris: And then. And then, uh, slowly over time, like, they're forced together and they have to, like, build a relationship, and it turns out they really like each other.

Travis: What? This is like enemies to lover situation.

Other Chris: It's on Amazon.

Danielle: Huh?

Other Chris: Amazon.

Danielle: I keep getting previews, um, for it in my Facebook feed, and it looks really good.

Other Chris: Oh, yeah.

Travis: I guess that's in my future, then.

Other Chris: Yeah.

Travis: Cool.

Other Chris: It's. It's. It's got some, uh. Uh, it's got some gay sex in it, so it's got something for everybody.

Danielle: Oh, for real?

Travis: Did they show it?

Chris: Good job.

Other Chris: Uh, I mean, not hardcore graphically.

Chris: Travis, come on.

Travis: I'm less interested now.

Other Chris: I mean, it's. It's. I don't know.

Travis: I want a documentary style. One of these things, like unflinching. Look at these relationships.

Other Chris: No, that's not what I would call it. It's definitely adorable.

Travis: Okay, but are you trying to say graphic gay sex isn't adorable?

Other Chris: It's got some heartfelt love scenes and also some implied bee gees.

Travis: Yeah, implied beej would be a great band. Name? Nice.

Chris: Yeah.


Daniel had an anesthesia procedure and woke up chewing gum

Travis: Uh, Daniel, do you have anything else that's good?

Danielle: Um, we finished the crowded room, which was awesome.

Travis: Yeah.

Danielle: With Tom Holland.

Travis: It was really good.

Danielle: That's on Apple tv. That was very good.

Travis: Uh, apparently we both finished it, and then we both separately looked up to see, like, did this happen? Like, what was this? Because it's based on a book and the book is nonfiction, but the show is fictionalized. It's, like, inspired by the first case of somebody who used to show personality disorder as a defense crimes they committed.

Chris: That would be interesting.

Travis: But they kind of changed it so that the crimes in the show were a little more, uh, appetizing than what the actual case was. So. Yeah, but it was good.

Chris: Cool.

Danielle: We liked that a lot.

Travis: Oh, sorry, we're.

Danielle: I wanted us to go see the, that, like, Dracula boat movie last night. I was like, after I have this procedure done, it'll be fun. We'll just go see this movie. No, I'll stay in bed.

Travis: Yep.

Danielle: Uh, so I'll have to go see that at some point. I'm gonna go see the Meg on Wednesday. Meg two shark movie season. Gotta go see the shark.

Other Chris: We're gonna go see Jason Statham, like, stab a shark.

Chris: Yes. Three sharks this time.

Other Chris: Yeah.

Danielle: And, like, a big octopus or something I saw in a preview.

Travis: Yeah.

Chris: My brain is just going, shark, shark, shark, shark, shark, shark, shark, shark, shark, shark, shark, shark. Right.

Danielle: But, uh, here's a funny thing that I wanted to tell you. So after I had this anesthesia and for this procedure, I, like, woke up and I was chewing gum, and I was like, where did I get this gum? And the anesthesiologist was like, oh, well, you were coming out of it. And I asked if you wanted some gum for your dry throat. You said yes. I'm like, when did this happen? Like, I have no idea when this happened. But as I, like, come conscious, I am chewing gumdeh.

Other Chris: I'm really glad that this story didn't end. Like, you woke up and you're chewing gum, and then they're like, you didn't have any gum and you're just, like, gnawing on your tongue or something.

Danielle: No, apparently I was not fully awake. They gave me some gum, which, ah, seems like a choking hazard.

Other Chris: Yeah, you're awake enough to ask for gum. I think you're awake enough to chew gum, probably fine.

Danielle: Oh, they also gave me soap before they put me under.

Travis: Yeah, that was weird.

Danielle: Well, because he was like, she came.

Travis: Back with, like, bespoke soap, like, artisanal soap. Like, what happened in there.

Chris: What's that supposed to be for?

Danielle: This anesthesiologist was so funny because he was, like, old, an older guy, and he's like, they take you back to this procedure room, which I didn't even know we had in my ob office. And he's like, I got to do the iv. He's like, do you get nervous with people? Do iv's? I'm like, no, I'm cool. He's like, well, here's like, here's some soap that you can, like, if you want to smell it, it'll, like, make you feel calm, and if you like it, you can just take it. Somebody in our office, like, makes these, is what he told me. He's like, what does it smell like to him? It smells like a baby doll from my childhood. It smells like a water baby. He's like, uh, it's vanilla. It didn't really smell like any type of vanilla that you're used to. I was like, this definitely smells like something from when I was a kid. Yeah, but it was weird because I didn't have any place to, like, put my hand. He, like, put a thing on my arm, and, like, I thought they would do it in my elbow area, where my veins are, like, awesome. But they did it in the top of my hand. But he didn't even. I didn't have, like, a table. He was just, like, holding my hand, like, sticking, and it was, like, the most gentle iv insertion I have ever had. He's like, here, and you can keep this soap. And I'm like, all right. He's like, you're gonna drift off now. I'm like, I guess I just put the soap right on my. I then wake up, and I've got my soap, and I'm chewing gum. Just the most wild anesthesiologist, and he.

Travis: Was so old, it would have been creepier if you came back. You're like, I didn't remember asking for gum, but I do remember that the, uh, pa had gum in her mouth when I went back there, and afterwards, she didn't have it.

Danielle: Then when we got back to the room and I'm chewing this gum, I'm like, oh, this is mint. Travis, can you spit the. Can you get me gum? I, like, you had to go to my purse and get the gum that I like to chew.


Simon: I've only seen Barbie twice, so it's enough

Travis: Um, um, uh, how many times are you seeing Barbie now?

Chris: I've seen.

Danielle: I've only seen it twice.

Travis: Only twice. You're not gonna take Levi? No, he has to go.

Danielle: I know he has to go. But I'm telling you, he's not gonna be interested.

Travis: He might.

Danielle: I don't think he will. And then I'll have wasted my money.

Travis: But you'll have seen it for third.

Danielle: I don't need to see it a third time. Twice was enough. Twice was good.

Travis: Yeah. What did you guys think of that? Didn't you all go as a big group?

Chris: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Travis: I thought it was really.

Danielle: Margot Robbie is great. And Ryan Gosling was, like, the best.

Other Chris: Yeah, yeah, he was. He was excellent.

Chris: It's amazing. He's kind of a doll trying to figure himself out, like.

Danielle: Yeah, I liked all the songs they worked in.

Chris: Yeah, I know, right?

Danielle: And then he played guitar at us.

Chris: Yeah, I felt all the kens on the beach playing guitars to their barbies. The big plan. Fucking hilarious.

Other Chris: Yeah.

Travis: Felt, uh. I felt convicted or accused of things. Like, let me play guitar at you. At you.

Other Chris: Yeah.

Travis: And also when the guy was like, oh, see, if you want to select this layer, you have to click here in Photoshop to do it. And, like, I would have done that too. I was.

Chris: Steak sometimes.

Travis: Let me explain everything about the godfather.

Chris: I'll just talk to you about coins or something. History. That's it. And if there's a Barbie hanging around for that, that means she actually likes me.

Travis: Yeah, you're in. It's a high hurdle to clear. But if they clear it, they're in.

Other Chris: There you go.

Travis: Uh, yeah. So for me, I've been, um, watching a lot of Paul, uh, Rubin's stuff. So I went back and watched Pee wee's big adventure, which I haven't seen for a little while. But, uh, I guess I never realized how much of a freaking bugs bunny cartoon it is.

Other Chris: Oh, yeah.

Travis: It's like the closest to a live action looney tunes I can think of. But it's great and should be seen by every person.

Other Chris: It should be, yeah.

Travis: Uh, and watched, uh, Buffy the vampire slayer, the movie last night.

Chris: Mm.

Travis: Mhm hmm.

Chris: Oh, nice.

Travis: Which I had seen, but it's been a little while. That's not as a high recommendation. Although it's still good.

Chris: Yeah.

Travis: And he in particular is good.

Other Chris: Yeah.

Travis: And Rutger Howard.

Other Chris: Yeah. Rucker Howard.

Travis: Yeah. Like, I know that guy. Yeah, I forgot he was. I didn't know who he was the first time I saw that, so.

Chris: Okay.

Travis: Ah. And it didn't have in my mental map. But, um, so we've also been watching, uh, on Chris's recommendation, being, uh, puppy cat. I finally broke down and started watching that on Netflix. And the boys both have latched onto it.

Chris: Yeah.

Travis: Firmly.

Other Chris: Uh, all right.

Travis: Yeah, it's really cool. It's like if, uh, I, an indie video game was made into a tv show is what it feels like. It's like, you know, a cozy, animal crossing type environment with just weird lore that you learn more and more about as you go on.

Chris: Right.

Travis: And it's randomly weird and funny at the same time.

Chris: Mhm.

Travis: Simon particularly loves it when puppy cat says anything.

Chris: I'm not surprised that show's kind of gross, though. I'm always watching it at dinner, as I recall. Isn't that like an AI or vocaloid or something that's doing.


There's something weird about some of the vocal performances in this show

Travis: Yeah, it's a vocaloid, um, that does the cat, but yeah, it surprised me by having a very deep backstory. Eventually I'm like, I thought it was just kind of weird randomness, but.

Chris: Mhm.

Travis: Uh, there's something about it that I can't quite put my finger on about the vocal performances, though. Like, I know it was a YouTube show before Netflix bought it and remade it, but it's also almost like, did they just reuse the same vocal tracks from the show? And, like, the timing was weird because it almost feels like it's been like, put through Google translate a couple times or something about the timing is just kind of odd, but at the same time, it's really good. Yeah, we've got like three or four more of those to go, but cool. Yeah, yeah. So that is cool.

Chris: Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.

Travis: Yeah.

Other Chris: All right.

Travis: Also, I've been to the Alamo, dude.

Other Chris: I've never been to the Alamo.

Travis: There's no basement, but the basement.

Other Chris: That's right.

Travis: Walk is lower down from there.

Chris: Yeah.

Travis: You walk up some stairs to get to the Alamo. So I say the riverwalk is the basement of the Alamo.

Other Chris: All right.

Travis: Yeah.

Other Chris: I'll keep that in mind.

Travis: Yep. If you're ever looking for your bike, the riverwalk is probably where it is.

Other Chris: Yeah, I mean, you know, the problem is, like, anytime I'm down there, I'm probably gonna forget.

Travis: Probably. So.

Other Chris: Yeah.


No official homework assignment this time, except perhaps for the usual

Travis: Okay. That was the session for today. No official homework assignment this time, except perhaps for the usual. If you're enjoying the podcast, do us a favor and rate review us on your service of choice and or tell a friend who you think might dig it to give us a listen for on second thoughts. More of a follow up than a second thought. But I did read that Boys version of Margaret after we recorded this, and I thought it was really good. I'm working on a blog post about it and a couple of other Judy Bloom books, which will hopefully be going up by this time next week. So check rtfbpod.com for that, if you please. Today's episode was found behind the A and P, making time with an older boy, thanks to Chris. Chris Hamm, Chris other Chris Jacobson, Danielle neither Chris Rowe. It was edited by me, Travis Rowe, and was sponsored by teenage softies. Going into womanhood is hard. Shouldn't your teenage years be soft? Until next time, keep fucking reading.

Other Chris: You've grown up.

Travis: Yeah, I guess I'm finally a man now.


All right, I'm gonna hit stop over here. I'm starving. What are we going to eat

All right, I'm gonna hit stop over here.

Chris: Okay. I'm going to order some food because.

Danielle: I'm, like, fucking starving. What are we going to eat? We have to do this first before you taco.